The Prince and the Pea... yes, we really can be that sensitive!
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Okay, maybe we can't be sensitive enough to feel a pea under 12 mattresses, or however it went in "The Princess and the Pea" story... but I now believe that some of us can definitely have our mattress "ruined" by just the wrong 1/2" layer... As you know, I did mattress surgery on my Englander and it was immediately like 300% better than the pure foam I had been sleeping on ... and much better than the Englander as it came (with 3" of cheap foam on top of the springs). But being that I have back and neck and shoulder issues, I was always trying different things - change a layer here and there, just to try to get it "perfect". Well, about a month or so ago I started using my 2" wool topper. I love the feel of it and when I lay on it, the 2" shrinks down to about 1/2" under my body weight, and it felt very cozy and comfortable. After a week or two, I started waking up with a sore back again, like when I used to sleep on pure foam (no springs). I had also changed a couple things, like zoning the middle layer to be firmer, and so on, but in the past this never caused me to wake up with pain, it would only make it a little less or more comfortable. So I kept tweaking the mattress - no major changes, just little things like adding a 1/2" of memory foam on top or under the top 3/4" latex layer, things like that. But my back started hurting BAD about a week ago, and the only thing I could think of was that maybe I had just tweaked my back out of shape carrying some heavy things recently or doing a lot of bending or something. I then tried making some more major changes to my mattress: I put a 1/2" layer of ultra firm HR foam on the very bottom next to the springs. ... Then when that didn't work, I tried changing the HR 1" layer above that to Very Firm... No matter what I did, my back kept hurting... and it seemed that all the changes made it WORSE, not better. Then finally, 2 nights ago, I said, "Well, I'm going to put it all back EXACTLY the way it was when it last worked for me. I did that, and it was better, but it STILL hurt my back somewhat. It was then that I said, "Wait! COULD IT BE that the 2" (1/2" really) wool topper is what caused all this??" I took it off. Slept. Now I woke up this morning with no back pain, and I am pretty sure that the whole problem with my mattress began shortly after I started using the wool topper, and that taking it off is what has made the difference! In support of the truth of this ultra-sensitivity is that in the past I also noticed that the CuddleBed - which is only about 1/2" thick when you lay on it, also seemed to throw off the comfort of my mattress and so I quit using that. I was skeptical at the time and thought maybe it was just my imagination and that's why I did try the wool topper as well, knowing full well that it also was about 1/2" of non-supportive material. It's still hard for me to believe that 1/2" of anything could cause me to wake up with a very sore back, but it sure seems like this is the case. Which is why I am posting this for others to consider, who may also have high sensitivity to the support or non-support of their mattress! When tweaking make SMALL changes, not big ones! And even if it feels okay at first, after a week or two it may start to bother you. The thing to look at first is the latest change you've made! It's most likely the culprit. I have found, for example, that memory foam may feel fine for a week or two, and then break down and cause back pain. So I am back to my original configuration: from the top, down: 3/4" latex (maybe 20-24ILD) 1" Venus foam 1" zoned HR foam (medium at shoulders, Firm in the mid-section feet/legs section doesn't matter) Englander Springs DISCLAIMER: This all could be coincidence. Maybe my back got bent out of shape and it just so happened that it self-healed about the same time that I took the wool topper off. But I doubt that... Also: This whole ultra-sensitivity thing is probably not something most people have. I think when one has chronic pain when laying in bed, one tends to focus on what is causing the discomfort and that can lead to one being more sensitive to changes in one's mattress. My guess is that some of us here have come to be ultra-sensitive to our mattress due to chronic pain from an injury or disease.) This message was modified Nov 17, 2009 by jimsocal
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Re: The Prince and the Pea... yes, we really can be that sensitive!
| I'm well aware of my spelling. And you may think your fussy because you neighbor can sleep on foam and latex. Well my advice to that is that there are people who can sleep on anything and there are alot people who can't. I've never met anyone who've had a horsehair mattress and traded it in for a foam or latex mattress and got a restful night sleep. A good mattress consist of good stuffings and springs. |
Re: The Prince and the Pea... yes, we really can be that sensitive!
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eagle2 wrote: JIm: I was watching television the other day and they came on with an add for one of those flip type lay down stretching devices. And I thought of you. You might want to look into something like that. The concept is pretty simple. You lay down on this platform like device that is attached to a frame and tilt yourself upside down. Your feet are secured to the bottom of the platform. Gravity does the rest. With my bad back I have thought of something like this many times before. But I have never ventured forth and spent my money. You might want to look into it. Thanks eagle2. But I've "been there, done that". It didn't help. I think it may help some people but I used one for about 2 months and it didn't help me. |
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Yep it's definitely true, I went through a couple combos with my foam only bed until I found the sweet spot. I had a 1 inch of soft tal latex on top with a cuddlebed which was hurting my back. First, I took off the cuddlebed and it was a little better but still pain. Next, I put the 1 inch soft in the middle and 4 inches of medium (32ILD) on top and voila. I've been sleeping great for months. 1/2 to 1 inch can really make a difference, it's true. This message was modified Nov 29, 2009 by Vaphils
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To dodo; I have no idea why horsehair would be a good idea in a bed...just because it used to be plentiful and cheap doesn't mean it is a better padding. Horse hair is used in old saddle pads, too, but it packs hard over time. I think that cotton batting is good, tho. It is super soft and has a wonderful feel. Kait |
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Vaphils wrote: Yep it's definitely true, I went through a couple combos with my foam only bed until I found the sweet spot. I had a 1 inch of soft tal latex on top with a cuddlebed which was hurting my back. First, I took off the cuddlebed and it was a little better but still pain. Next, I put the 1 inch soft in the middle and 4 inches of medium (32ILD) on top and voila. I've been sleeping great for months. 1/2 to 1 inch can really make a difference, it's true. Thanks Vaphils, it helps to know I'm not the only one who notices small differences in my mattress in a big way. |
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| All I can say to anyone who has bad sleep is that any material is better than latex and memory foam. animal hair has been used for 1000's of years and I will not say anything I do not strongly belive to be true. I do not know which is the best type of animal hair is the best. Probably animal hair and plant fibre (coton) in combination are are the best combination for a mattress. I think animal hair would be more supportive and provider better cushioning between you and your mattress springs, and the coton could very well be the softess matterial to sleep on sleep on. As far as Plants fibre vs animal fir I do not know truely which one would be better so I do will not partake in that argument. l but There used to be a lot more horses in the past and now it is more expensive to buy a animal hair mattress but it was never cheap compared to other beds. Foam was and always is the cheapest to produce and before foam a straw bed (horse food)would be the cheapest. There is a far more labor intensive process in properly raising healthy horses with think healthy mane, properly tying, washing,wrapping and squeeze drying there hair to assure it is complely sanitary, and spreading apart the twisted dried hair hair for it to be considered cheap. But I do admit labor and horses were cheaper in the past but that is irrelevant. It does compact and must be refluft every couple of weeks to uptane its springyness and will last much longer than foam. Anyone who has problems with a foam mattress and lost days of sleep would have tears of joy coming down there face if fluffing there mattres topper was the answer to there problem. It is easy to sell a foam mattress because It is the most comfortable for the first 5-15 minutes, its cheap to produce, it can be drastically lighter than other matterials, theres is no maintanance and no turning but in my opinion its like giving gatorade to plants because If it dosn't do its job well then it dosn't do its job. |
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| And people Who ride horses all day long don't use memory foam |
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(I corrected some of the spelling) All I can say to anyone who has bad sleep is that any material is better than latex and memory foam. Animal hair has been used for 1000's of years. I do not know which is the best type of animal hair. Animal hair and plant fiber (cotton) in combination are probably best. Animal hair would be more supportive and provider better cushioning between you and your mattress springs, and the cotton could very well be the softest material to sleep on. As far as Plants fiber/spring mattress vs animal fir /spring mattress I do not truly know which would be better so I will not partake in that argument. There used to be a lot more horses in the past so obviously its more expensive to buy animal hair mattress's but it was never a cheap bed to make. Foam was and always is the cheapest to produce and before foam a straw bed (horse food)would be the cheapest. There is a far more labor intensive process in properly raising healthy horses with many thick healthy manes, properly tying the hair, washing,wrapping and squeeze drying the hair to assure it is completely sanitary, spreading apart the twisted dried hair. Labor and horses were cheaper in the past but that is irrelevant. It does compact and must be refluft every couple of weeks to obtain its springiness and will last much longer than foam. Anyone who has problems with a foam mattress and lost days of sleep would have tears of joy coming down there face if fluffing there mattress topper was the answer to there problem. It is easy to sell a foam mattress because It is the most comfortable for the first 5-15 minutes, its cheap to produce, it can be drastically lighter than other material, there is no maintenance and no turning in a foam or latex mattress but in my opinion its like giving gatorade to plants because If it does not do its job well then it does not do its job. I will not say anything I don't belive to be true |
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I've lived my entire life without once seeing a person with a black hart change to be good. Once a company purposely misleads you in the quality of there product never trust them again. That rule holds true for all the fast food companies who claim they now care about your health. all the mattress stores who sold you crap fillings. all the the car companies who sold you lemons. When a company sells you a great product never forget them and always spread there name to people who you want to prosper. my ben-hur deep freezer is probably 70 years old and had no problems. the running room sells great running shoes (a little pricey) I like their "new balance" shoes I think capers whole food market has an excellent produce department (also pricey) I've heard nothing but good things about the toyota prius trust should be regarded as highly as knowledge |