Natalie's New Flobed (updated with vZone pics) - New Final Review
Feb 19, 2010 6:29 PM
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On suggestions of eagle2 and KimberlyH, I'm starting my own thread. I hope my experience may possibly help someone else as I continue to receive help from all the wonderful posters on this forum.

Summary from two previous posts (edited):


1)  Background (sorry, if you've already read it skip it):
 
 60 yr old F,  5' 7", 128 lbs, side sleeper -- Fibromyalgia. Extreme pressure points in hips, (tingling, burning, numbness, pain). Currently sleeping on aTP Cloud Supreme... not really sure it's right for me (How can something feel so soft when you first lie down, and be so hard a few hours later?). Still have 6 weeks before deciding to either  exchange it for TP Rhapsody (a special "thank you" here to budgy for all his TP information) or get refund and start over. OR new option - try FloBeds and compare!

I had tried an Englander Natures Finest Latex and was in so much pain on it, I had quit the idea of latex altogether because of it (I never was able to find the exact content of that particular bed). I admit, at the time I made that decision, I was totally ignorant about different ILD's, thicknesses, customizing layers, coverings, latex actually helping with pressure points, etc.

 2) Well, I did it! My new bed should be here no later than Monday. I'm excited and nervous at the same time. Dewey was very nice and helpful and thanks to you all I had a list of questions, but he really answered most of them before I could ask. Which was great because I don't do phone very well, and I did do the "ah... ah... ah.." .  I went with all his recommendations except for the vZone, which we decided I could upgrade to later if needed. So my new bed is:

Natural Deluxe - Natural Talalay Latex Green Mattress

Organic Cotton & Wool Cover

Natural Talalay Latex Convolute Comfort Pad

Both sides:
Natural Talalay Latex Core-Soft

Natural Talalay Latex Core-Medium

Natural Talalay Latex Core-Firm


I told him about how informed and extremely helpful you've all been, (though I think most of you spoke with Dave who was unavailable) Dewey was glad to hear about how impressed I was about this great forum.

These large purchases always scare me, but he assured me if for any reason I didn't love the bed, I would only be out the shipping cost of sending it back, which is very reasonable. Eagle, you are so right about how reassuring it is to deal with the owners!

I do realize no bed is going to cure my fibromyalgia and all the issues it creates, but I am hoping this bed will provide some relief and comfort... without all the rules the TP demands you follow.

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Great posts to read for anyone interested in FloBeds:
  <a href="http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/forum/just-bought-new-flobeds/6556-A-1.html">Just bought a new Flobeds</a>   
  <a href="http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/forum/please-help-me-figure-which-flobed-buy/9416-0-1.html">Please help me figure out which FloBed to buy</a>

Just received an email from Dewey - my new FloBed is on it's way so I will update when it arrives Monday. I'm just so excited, I couldn't wait to share!.
Natalie

This message was modified Jul 15, 2010 by Natalia
Re: Natalie's New Flobed
Reply #18 Feb 27, 2010 11:41 PM
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Leo3, I just lost my post from trying to see the whole thread. I am tired since 1 hour ago I took the cough medicine that is a prescription to help me sleep tonight since I can't stop coughing with this cold that has lingered on for three weeks. Hence, I hope my post makes sense.

My bed started out with the Natural Talalay Split Latex Cores (3 on each sides) with a topper over them on top of the pine slat box.  I keep making the bed firmer and then I finally had to cave in to request blended latex cores since the Super Firm Latex (44 ILD to 46 ILD) did not come in the natural Talalay Latex.  Hence, the two bottom cores are the 44 - 46 ILD blended Talalay Latex while the next two cores on each side range from 35 ILD to 39 ILD (Extra Firm cores... one I wish was a 36 ILD but it averaged to a 35 ILD) . My topper is the 1" soft Brylane Topper. I took the Overstock too short topper off my bed.  I had to cut the Queen Size Brylane Topper to fit my queen bed since it was a little bit big but it fits perfectly and I love it. 

My zipped up Mattress bed is made for up to three 3" split natural latex cores on each side and a 2" convoluted topper on top.  Hence, I deducted 1" on top for having a less thick topper and another .2" on top from using one blended latex core on each side of the bed that is only 2.8" thick.  I actually like this set up.  There would be no room inside if I had all 3" latex cores and the 2" latex topper.

When I was sleeping on my carpeted floor with the 1" topper, I needed to put a thin exercise mat under it since it was just too hard.  Even very firm latex has a tiny bit of give and is better than sleeping on the floor.  My set up is very comfortable for me right now with the set up described above and my medium Natural Talalay latex pillows. 

By the way, Natalie, I love the look of your headboard and footboard.  Please keep us updated.

Re: Natalie's New Flobed
Reply #19 Feb 27, 2010 11:51 PM
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Thanks, Lynn.  Sorry bout your cold, hope you get well soon.

So you mattress cover isn't baggy with 1.2" less room?  You don't sleep on wrinkles?  I was just thinking if I did get that I would probably just use my Brylane Topper since I have it and not sure I would really like a convoluted topper.

The cover is very important for my comfort I know I am extremely particular.  But maybe the reason you don't feel lines from the mattress cover is because it isn't stuffed like it would be if the convoluted topper was on it.

Is there a time of year Flobed has sales?  Guess I should ask them but I am no way ready to make phone calls.  I just know my toppers have softened up in the year I have had them (and it never was pain free on my hips anyway), and I need to get a new bed.  I keep checking their website and they haven't had sales lately.
This message was modified Feb 28, 2010 by Leo3
Re: Natalie's New Flobed
Reply #20 Feb 28, 2010 6:24 PM
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My mattress cover fits just right without being too tight and is not baggy just the way it is. Before I felt it was difficult to zipper it up when I had the thicker latex topper and the thicker latex core on the bottom of the bed.

I think sales happen around holidays so I would wait to see what the Easter Sale is, the Memorial Day sale is and then there is the labor day sale.  I think I bought my bed in May  on one of the sale days and ended up getting a price reduction with the labor day sale.

Re: Natalie's New Flobed (updated with vZone pics)
Reply #21 Mar 18, 2010 1:23 AM
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Hi Everyone,

Here is my update with more pictures - until my camera battery went dead blush:

After trying every configuration possible with two layers each of Soft, Medium, Firm, and still not being able to find a compromise between softness, needed for Fibromyalgia, and support, Dewey sent me two vZones. 1 Medium, and 1 Firm.

(For those interested here is a <a href="http://www.flobeds.com/pdf/vZoneSpecs.pdf"target="_blank">link</a> to the vZones configurations.)

First the inevitable heavy box arrives with the vZones:
<img src="http://webpages.charter.net/nickit/flobed2/boxvzones.jpg" />

The follow pics show setting up the vZone on my side. What you see on the other side is the rolled back convoluted topper.

The Meduim vZone placed on top of the Middle under layer:
<img src="http://webpages.charter.net/nickit/flobed2/mediumvzone.jpg" />

vZone from head to almost foot (couldn't get it all into one pic):
<img src="http://webpages.charter.net/nickit/flobed2/vzone1.jpg" />

The rest of the vZone:
<img src="http://webpages.charter.net/nickit/flobed2/vzone2.jpg" />

Showing the canvas with velcro strips that hold the vZone layers in place. Also, you can see the different layers waiting to be placed.
Each individual layer has velcro attached on the front and back of the bottom which line up with the velcro strips on the canvas.
There is also a square of velcro on all four corners of each layer. The small layer at the top is a spacer which counts as one of the 7 zones:
<img src="http://webpages.charter.net/nickit/flobed2/canvasvelcro.jpg" />

<img src="http://webpages.charter.net/nickit/flobed2/canvasvelcro2.jpg" />

All but the bottom layer attached to canvas:
<img src="http://webpages.charter.net/nickit/flobed2/layersoncanvas.jpg" />


Over the past 10+ days, we have changed layers around from both vZones, trying to find the best combination, only to end up with the original Meduim vZone over Medium, over Firm.

The most comfortable the bed has been for me was the way it was when first bought...  S/M/F. Unfortunately if you've read my other post "<a href="http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/forum/need-help-flobed-back-pain-please/10081-0-1.html"target="_blank">Need help with Flobed and back pain, Please!</a>", you know this wonderfully soft configuration caused me lower back pain. I will be trying it again just in case the backache was a fluke... oh I SO hope it was!!

I do have one other problem and that's with the stitching on the cover. I feel it through the sheet and it does irritate my hips, but even a wrinkle will do that. I am THAT sensitive.

Though I don't know if you can see them clearly, here is a picture of the indentations left on a thin jersey bottom sheet.
(I now use an old blanket over the cover under the sheet... thank you Leo):
<img src="http://webpages.charter.net/nickit/flobed2/sheetwaves.jpg" />

Now, I am NOT giving up!!!  I do believe this is a great bed and the components are top notch! If I can get it to work for me over the next few weeks, I'll definitely be keeping it. The company provides the utmost in customer care, so if there is a problem, it lies with me and my fibro... not with FloBeds!

I'll keep you up to date on my progress and yes..... once again, I must thank you ALL. You are each so helpful and openly supportive. smiley

Natalie

This message was modified Mar 18, 2010 by Natalia
Re: Natalie's New Flobed (updated with vZone pics)
Reply #22 Mar 18, 2010 3:14 AM
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Natalie,  Thanks for such good pictures, I will have to look that over again tomorrow, it is after midnight!  Glad the blanket helped.  Finally someone who is as sensitive as me wink lots of challenges.  Hope you get it all worked out soon, I know how tiring it is and frustrating.

I ordered the Natura wool on top to make my latex toppers more firm and help with the hip pain.  Note I am trying to sound positive as if it is going to work.  Also even sheets make a difference, I hope the thicker jersey sheets help.

My point is, as you know, any small thing can aggravate or help the hip pain.  Keep the faith that it will work in the end.

Re: Natalie's New Flobed (updated with vZone pics)
Reply #23 Mar 18, 2010 3:53 AM
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Natalie, are you sure you've exhausted all the combinations on the vzones?  I ask because I only have one vzone and I think it took me longer than 10 days to work through it. 

I have kind of the opposite problem from you - I need a lot of firmness for my fused middle and lower back.  A very firm mattress supports the back but makes my arms fall asleep during the night.  So I need to balance support for my back with at least some softness for the aging joints. 

I started out with a natural F/F/XF, which didn't quite work for me (too soft) and upgraded to the extra firm vzone, which Dave customized for me.  But after a couple of weeks of moving around the vzone pieces I was getting close to giving up on the latex bed - nothing seemed to help.  Until I took the small piece of superfirm foam and put that under my hips.  Bingo.  Now my shoulder/lumbar/hip area are M/F/SF, and I've had no pain in 10 days.  None.  It's a miracle.  That's a pretty huge difference between the shoulders and the hips and I really did not expect that to work, but that's what my back wanted after all.

They generally say that back pain means too soft and shoulder pain means too hard.  That was true for me. You're kind of stuck since the softness that helps your fibro hurts your back.  But I wonder how much you've played around with different levels of support under the less sensitive shoulders, lumbar region, and perhaps even the legs.  Maybe there is a combination of those that would let you leave the hips soft.  Or maybe use just a 10 inch strip of soft foam under the hip instead of the larger piece normally placed under the hips.  10" isn't much to aim for (that's how big the SF under my hips is; Dave is sending me a larger piece), but perhaps just a small soft spot would cushion the fibro while leaving the rest of the body supported.

Don't give up.  Pain relief is a very good thing.  I know better than to get my hopes up too far, but I hope mine lasts. 

Linda

This message was modified Mar 18, 2010 by lnkholder
Re: Natalie's New Flobed (updated with vZone pics)
Reply #24 Mar 18, 2010 6:12 PM
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lnkholder wrote:

Natalie, are you sure you've exhausted all the combinations on the vzones?  I ask because I only have one vzone and I think it took me longer than 10 days to work through it. 

I have kind of the opposite problem from you - I need a lot of firmness for my fused middle and lower back.  A very firm mattress supports the back but makes my arms fall asleep during the night.  So I need to balance support for my back with at least some softness for the aging joints. 

I started out with a natural F/F/XF, which didn't quite work for me (too soft) and upgraded to the extra firm vzone, which Dave customized for me.  But after a couple of weeks of moving around the vzone pieces I was getting close to giving up on the latex bed - nothing seemed to help.  Until I took the small piece of superfirm foam and put that under my hips.  Bingo.  Now my shoulder/lumbar/hip area are M/F/SF, and I've had no pain in 10 days.  None.  It's a miracle.  That's a pretty huge difference between the shoulders and the hips and I really did not expect that to work, but that's what my back wanted after all.

They generally say that back pain means too soft and shoulder pain means too hard.  That was true for me. You're kind of stuck since the softness that helps your fibro hurts your back.  But I wonder how much you've played around with different levels of support under the less sensitive shoulders, lumbar region, and perhaps even the legs.  Maybe there is a combination of those that would let you leave the hips soft.  Or maybe use just a 10 inch strip of soft foam under the hip instead of the larger piece normally placed under the hips.  10" isn't much to aim for (that's how big the SF under my hips is; Dave is sending me a larger piece), but perhaps just a small soft spot would cushion the fibro while leaving the rest of the body supported.

Don't give up.  Pain relief is a very good thing.  I know better than to get my hopes up too far, but I hope mine lasts. 

Linda


Hi Linda,


Congrats on 10 days of no pain! YAY! smiley I hope it continues for you. That is indeed amazing!

You're right. 10 days is in no way enough time to exhaust the possible configurations of the vZones , especially for those who can really give all the M/F/XF pieces a good try. I should have said, "After trying every configuration possible using the vZones as a top layer".

One night of pain using firm anywhere but second to last zone, was enough to know they are too hard for me. Right now, other than the soft, I'm only using two mediums, 10" lumber, and 18.5" lower leg foot and am still having pressure points on ribs and ankles.

There just aren't many "less sensitive" areas. Not to sound like a big boo hoo, but every area is sensitive.. whine, whine, whinecrying. After all, I'm just trying to find a combo that leaves my neck, shoulders, ribs, hips, knees, calfs, ankles, and heels pain free... joking, but one can dream.angle

So what's next? Trying the vZone configured a little firmer down one layer enlightened, S/MvZ/F, or S/FvZ/M, or other combos. I'm on a mission and I'm not giving up before 90 days!
 

This message was modified Mar 18, 2010 by Natalia
Re: Natalie's New Flobed (updated with vZone pics)
Reply #25 Mar 18, 2010 7:41 PM
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so sorry you havent found the answer yet.  this mutliple choice deal at flobeds worried me cuz knowing me i would try everything and not long enough to know if it worked, thankfully the costco bed worked for me, so far......wink
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Re: Natalie's New Flobed (updated with vZone pics)
Reply #26 Mar 19, 2010 11:20 AM
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Thanks for your detailed and informative review, Natalie. I have a question about the convoluted topper. Have you (or anyone else) tried flipping it over or not using it at all? I have a sample that Flobeds sent me - I'm really not all that sensitive, but I don't like it much either. 

 

I'm also curious about the cover, do you find it soft enough? Does it get overly warm? Is it necessary to have all that wool between you and the latex?

Re: Natalie's New Flobed (updated with vZone pics)
Reply #27 Mar 19, 2010 12:14 PM
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cynicaljones wrote:

Thanks for your detailed and informative review, Natalie. I have a question about the convoluted topper. Have you (or anyone else) tried flipping it over or not using it at all? I have a sample that Flobeds sent me - I'm really not all that sensitive, but I don't like it much either. 

 

I'm also curious about the cover, do you find it soft enough? Does it get overly warm? Is it necessary to have all that wool between you and the latex?


Hi cynical,

I've never tried flipping the topper. I like the cushioning of it and I don't notice any bumps or uneven feel.

I think the cover is very nice (minus my stitching issue). It's not overly stuffed as store mattress covers seem to be these days and I don't notice any heat retention at all. I also don't notice it feeling cold when I first get in bed as my Temper-pedic cover felt.

I wouldn't characterize it as "all that wool". It's not really that thick, and I don't feel it detracts from the feel of the bed in any way. After a month, it looks like new. I sleep alone always on the same side and you can't tell which side. I don't see or feel any compression or stretching of the cover at all.

Like everything else I post, it's just my humble opinion, YMMV. smiley

Best to you,

Natalie

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