latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
Dec 2, 2011 3:41 PM
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The latex bounces, how wil then provide pressure relief and support?

 May be some support but pressure relief - I don't think so.

So latex does not work.

Also latex is Not comfortable since it has bounce and PUSHBACK.

This message was modified Dec 2, 2011 by Joed
Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
Reply #18 Dec 7, 2011 2:08 PM
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Joed wrote:

 


I don't know budgy but I have a spring air soft talalay latex and it has lots of pushback even though it is a soft latex mattress.

I also read about pushback at this forum. It is not the same feeling I got with poly foam.

The latex is bouncy and it is rubber.

Try sleeping on rubber. It pinches even though it may be the softest.

that pinch is pushback I guess. Very uncomfortable.

If latex was so good we would have latex stores everywhere and latex beds would be carried at major retail stores too.

Reality is here mattress firm and mattress giant have stopped carrying all latex beds they had.

Because they told me they don't sell. Well they would sell if they were any goood wouldnt they?

If latex was so great all stores would be carrying latex beds.

But reality is almost no retail stores do.

And it is pretty big hasle for most people to buy mattresses over the internet.

people want to lay down on the beds in a store and feel them.

Well there are no latex mattresses here. Because as I said if they were so good stores would carry them.

But they don't.

Not sure why you are saying Mattress Firm doesnt carry latex mattress. They have latex on their website and in the local stores around here. They also talk about the reason some of the Simmons or Sealy mattress's sets are so expensive is because they use latex and latex is one of the highest quality materials you can get in the bedding industry. This is what their sales reps will tell you. Mattress Giant also sells Latex beds, so does sleepy's as will most of your largest mattress compainies. None of those compaines has stopped carrying latex beds so you might want to check your data again. Many funiture stores do not carry latex, but even most of the larger funiture stores and/or high end funitures will carry latex beds.

it is naive to beieve all mattress retailers would carry them if it was a great product. Tempurpedic is a great product, but not all retailers carry them. Sealy Makes great mattress sets, but not all retailers carry them. So stating "If a product is so good all retailers would carry them" is flawed.


 

Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
Reply #19 Dec 7, 2011 2:16 PM
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GuyMakesSense wrote:

I think that the best way to understand any of the foams or springs (in regards to push back) would be that if you are pushing against something it has to push back (which someone posted in the very beginning). The problem with most mattress salespeople is that we are trained to sell an item and not a science... or physics.

 

The truth is, when you are trying to find a sleep system that will allow you to sink where you need to (hips and shoulders) but be supported up where you need it (waist, lower back). Latex, when trying to find the right one for you, needs to allow your hips and shoulders to sink while still holding the small ofyour back up to keep your alignment correct. Too many times we "buy" the speech of the salesman (of which I am one) and do not pay attention to the way our back feels... or we don't spend enough time testing the beds that feel good at first. To top it off, we find all of the posts and reviews that are negative and completely write off a possible solution.

I suggest that the method of support (coils, pocketed coils, latex, visco, etc.) while having their respective positive and negative attributes can be truly tested for you ONLY BY YOU. I use this method in my solutions presentation: "We want to find the most comfortable option in the following four areas..."

  1. Immediate Comfort - What feels good when you initially lay down. something firmer? softer? pillow top? You should not feel like your shoulder is digging into your chin or that your hips are sinking too far or not enough for true comfort. (Having the right thickness of pillow here will be vital to that 20% of your spine which probably never touches the mattress but rests on a pillow)
  2. Long Term Comfort - Find your favorite feel (no more than 2 options if at all possible) and then spend at least 12-15 minutes on it in your sleeping position... if your muscles begin to relax... or "melt", you are experiencing the release of your back muscles from your spine proving enough support to allow you to sleep all night (or at least longer than right now!)
  3. Psychological Comfort - If you have a fear of any particular element found in beds (latex allergies, memory foam is hot, springs push back too much) I would suggest that you "prove" the fear first yourself, but if you can't, let's avoid that particular thing. For example, even though a true latex allery is found in less than 1% of the population, I see about 15% of my customers who claim one... I can explain that normally latex is a contact allergy... I can inform them of the water-washing method of cleaning the impurities instead of detergents or petroleum (which is what most reactions to latex are caused by) etc. but ultimately, if they are afraid of latex... we will avoid it!
  4. Financial Comfort - Once I find the right Comfort (immediate), Support (long-term) and avoid any psychologial concerns, I want to find the right price range for my purchase. sometimes we can give up certain elements in the bed to obtain a better price and as long as I feel the comfort (of the first three) is not truly compromised, I can work the price to my benefit!

Ultimately, once you have done some research on what to expect to spend and then testing to prove your levels of comfort, you will find that more expensive does not necessarily mean more comfortable or even better. According to Englander's website (which I do not carry) you should expect to find a GOOD queen set (not specialty) coiled mattress for between $1000 and $1500 dollars (which should include the customer service elements of warranty, delivery, comfort exchange, durability and comfort). Specialty will probably be more, but there are options that can easily put you into that range without having to break the bank.

Easy test: Go find 5 pillow top mattresses in your local store (tell the sales agent to leave you alone... seriously) at 5 different price points. You will probably find that the top 2 or 3 can feel really good without having to like the most expensive one... hope this helps!

 

Sleep Well 'joed"!


Very well said. I agree with this 100%.

Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
Reply #20 Dec 7, 2011 2:34 PM
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Joed wrote:

I don't know about other people. But I got the softest latex mattress and it is killing me. I am returning it. I got taken in by the salesmen pitch. The soft latex is only soft for less then 1 minute and then it starts to pushback. I sink in too much and it is pushing back firmly. I now have shoulder pains with I did not have before I bought this. I sleep on polyurethane sofa which does not pushback.

 

 

I have tried tempurpedic beds. I found that basic cloud is too firm for me. The other cloud series - I sink in too much and am touching the base foam. I have tried the contour series. I find them too firm for me. I have tried Rhapsody at a friends house. It strated fine and it fizzled. It softened up where I weighed the heaviest - hips/buttocks. I have tried sleeping on allura. And it is only "seems" good when I sleep on my back. and finally I can't afford a 7000 dollar Grand bed.

So if there is any "soft latex bed " in "real life" kindly tell me. Because I have not found it. I don't know why budgy is telling "99%" of the people like latex.To me right now is just uncomfortable piece of rubber which they fancifully call "latex".

Beware of the salemen. I might just go back to springs.


I did not claim that 99% of people like latex.  Roy1 claimed 99% of people do not like it.  I am sorry it did not work for you guys.

You still have not answered my question about whether your mattress truly is all latex....did you read the law label yet to see the material contents?

Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
Reply #21 Dec 7, 2011 4:03 PM
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DaveStro wrote:

 

 

 

 

Not sure why you are saying Mattress Firm doesnt carry latex mattress. They have latex on their website and in the local stores around here. They also talk about the reason some of the Simmons or Sealy mattress's sets are so expensive is because they use latex and latex is one of the highest quality materials you can get in the bedding industry. This is what their sales reps will tell you. Mattress Giant also sells Latex beds, so does sleepy's as will most of your largest mattress compainies. None of those compaines has stopped carrying latex beds so you might want to check your data again. Many funiture stores do not carry latex, but even most of the larger funiture stores and/or high end funitures will carry latex beds.

it is naive to beieve all mattress retailers would carry them if it was a great product. Tempurpedic is a great product, but not all retailers carry them. Sealy Makes great mattress sets, but not all retailers carry them. So stating "If a product is so good all retailers would carry them" is flawed.


 



What people need to do is call mattress firm and mattress giant. Then then they will know they stopped carrying latex.

Your "claim" about latex's pushback is a not true.

After my experiences, I have learned not to trust salesmen.

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Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
Reply #22 Dec 7, 2011 4:16 PM
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budgy wrote:

 

 

 


I did not claim that 99% of people like latex.  Roy1 claimed 99% of people do not like it.  I am sorry it did not work for you guys.

You still have not answered my question about whether your mattress truly is all latex....did you read the law label yet to see the material contents?



If you read posts I have posted the information there.

To repeat, It is 6 inch of latex on 8 inches of soy foam. 2 inch of celsion over 1 inch of dunlop over 3 inch of talalay. All over 8 inch of soy foam.

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Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
Reply #23 Dec 7, 2011 5:34 PM
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And based on this mattress you say latex is no good for anyone?  theres a whole lot of polyfoam in the mattress itself too...I bet if you cut open the top quilting layer it is a thin layer of polyurethane before the latex too.  
Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
Reply #24 Dec 8, 2011 10:38 AM
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Joed wrote:

 

 

 

 



What people need to do is call mattress firm and mattress giant. Then then they will know they stopped carrying latex.

Your "claim" about latex's pushback is a not true.

After my experiences, I have learned not to trust salesmen.


I stopped by the local Mattress Firm here in Charlotte, NC. They have 3 different latex beds by Sterns and Foster on their floor. I told them I had heard they were not going to be carrying latex anymore and he said there are going to be carrying latex mattresses for a long time and there are no plans to discontinue them.

Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
Reply #25 Dec 8, 2011 11:39 AM
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Joed wrote:

 

 

 



If you read posts I have posted the information there.

To repeat, It is 6 inch of latex on 8 inches of soy foam. 2 inch of celsion over 1 inch of dunlop over 3 inch of talalay. All over 8 inch of soy foam.


You cant compare that to a latex mattress as it has more soy foam then it does latex. 1" of Dunlop really doesnt make much scense to put on top of the soy foam as a cushining layer since it is primarly designed to be used as the support or core layer. THey talalay is designed for the cushining and comfort layer. Celsion or Celestra is just a polyester fiber. Soy foam is a fairly new product in the industry and it is truely unknown about its full durability. 

Latex has been around since the 40's and is still the longest lasting material in the bedding industry. Still need a few more years in to tell if Tempurpedic will hold as long and they are making a good showing.

Dont get me worng. I am not saying the High Density Memory foams are a bad product or worse then latex. They are both excellent products with great support and durability. To choose one fromt he other is really a matter of personal preference for comfort.

Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
Reply #26 Dec 9, 2011 6:41 AM
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Just a suggestion you might try before anyone gives up on their latex- make sure it's not bound too tightly, and that there's as little as possible between your body & the latex itself.  Once I ditched the very nice but too thick embroidered mattress cover, and cut off the really tight fabric that the latex block was directly cased within, the feel was 100% different.  ONly then could my shoulders & hips sink in enough so that the foam between those points could rise to support the arch of my back.  Nothing between myself & the latex except one sheet & a wrap-around cover that's as thin as a sheet, & a set of actual springs under the latex- then all my foam & foundation swapping ended.  While the exact opposite was necessary for me to sleep on memory foam- the thicker & tighter the encasement, the less I found the memory foam shied away from the contours' heat it contacted.

Ultimately memory foam or latex depends on what your biggest problem is, pressure points or support, but sometimes little details in what's above & below the foam itself can result in huge performance changes for you.  It's just tough to draw blanket conclusions of either in a vacuum, especially for how different we all are, and how differently they can all be setup.

 

 

 

Re: latex mattresses - Reason latex has problems - someone tell me this?
Reply #27 Dec 9, 2011 5:51 PM
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In my extensive mattress shopping this year, I found it 'insanely difficult' to really know a mattress from trying in the store.  Man, what a difference it makes from trying a mattress for 15 minutes at a time to sleeping on it for 8 hours a night.

I laid on the iComfort Revolution SO much before buying it, it was ridiculous. I really thought it was going to work.  I could detect no problems in the store.  It didn't seem like my back or neck would have problems with it.  I had no idea it would end up sleeping a little warm.  It took a week or two weeks for neck discomfort to emerge. 

I hear some states don't allow returns on mattresses.  That's insane!   Mattress shopping for quite a few people is one of the most difficult things to choose among.

People in great shape and no joint problems can sleep on most things, stay in various hotels and do fine.  Then there's the rest of us who need specialty mattresses.

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