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Daniel B.
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7/31/2012 1:54 AM

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Reply Jul 31, 2012 1:26 AM
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DIYJoel wrote:

ILD/IDF do measure compression, mainly in latex and memory foam matresses. But the problem you are going to run into is that there is no standard for what is soft/medium/firm, so you are really fighting a losing battle. If it makes you feel any better I have a Sealy Posturpedic Plush Euro Pillowtop and I have never gotten a good nights sleep out of it without a layer of memory foam on top.

Precisely what I am trying to say.  ILD gives us one way to measure 'firmness' in essence and assign a numerical value.  But what we label as soft/medium/firm is based on subjectivity. Science can tell you one bed is firmer than another, but not what the cut of point should be. If we left it based on this it would be like saying a 19 ILD Foam is soft, but a 20 is medium...in reality there is a barely discernable difference.
Reply Jul 30, 2012 1:10 AM
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There is no objective scientific test that will show you what you want to see.

When it comes to scientific and numerical data you have a sliding scale.  If firmness is described as a number, than no matter how high or low on the 'firmness' scale it has a level of firmness.  It is your subjective opinion that it is not firm enough for yourself. 

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These are really hard questions to quantify, but here is what I believe.  The softening up process begins pretty much immediately but most of it would be done in the first year or so.  For someone of that height/weight I think either mattress *should* be supportive enough.  Although the Allura will keep more of its firmness over time. I do not believe the Allura would ever feel quite as soft as say a brand new Cloud Luxe, but thats difficult to answer.  

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I was told the Cloud Luxe is perhaps a little softer than the Supreme, probably just due to having a slightly thicker layer of lower density memory foam in the surface than the Supreme.  But both beds will soften over  time, this is a simple property of all kinds of polyurethane foam.

Reply Jun 30, 2012 11:19 AM
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Hello Ikonos,

I will send you a PM as its not really my goal to advertise our store on the forum here. Not fair to paying advertisers.
Reply Jun 9, 2012 6:45 PM
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I would not argue with the Essentia product being comfortable, but there is a significant amount of controversy surround all of their natural yet alone organic credentials.

Reply Jun 8, 2012 4:16 PM
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Not sure the cost on the Shifman but I would look at a bed called the Sprout Firmus.  Its made in Edmonton out of all natural materials, it is 2 sided like the Shifman and hand tufted, but with pocket coils.  Zoned 800 count, not sure the guage, but I reckon relatively thick, its a pretty beefy mattress.  That with a seperate latex topper would probably do what you want too. If your goal is to get something really good quality but less expensive than the Green Sleep this would be a good option. 

Reply Jun 5, 2012 1:14 PM
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Sounds good :) 

  But yeah they probably do not know the exact ILD, Dunlop usually just is measured in density, the density they keep constant and the ILD will vary slightly depending on the natural variations in the rubber itself by a couple points.  Probably mid 20's for 65 density rubber. 
Reply Jun 5, 2012 12:39 AM
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Who provided you the specs on the GreenSleep coils?  

I have literally cut one of the springs out of their pockets and I swear it has more than 6 turns (granted the ones at the top and bottom of the spring are very close together), and I was told it was a 13.5 guage wire.  The coil count you got sounds accurate though, somewhere between 750~800 in a queen for sure.  Although spec shopping on these things is not going to really tell the whole story as the coils are also joined together by hand rather than glued together by machine like mass produced pocket springs.  I would also say that because they use the coconut coir all around the spring system it is functionally a lot stronger than even the specs lead on.

Anyway, all I am really saying is that if you want to replicate the specs its not going to be even possible, even the boxspring on that bed contributes to the feeling it had.  Your best bet is to not fret about the specs on the Saluna, get something in a remotely similar build that feels good to you, I think atleast you can get the basic premise of the bed being really solid and durable by just doing away with all the polyfoam. 

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I would say this is fairly normal is does not take very long at all for the wool to compress, very likely it will not get much worse. Perhaps up to 3/4. So long as you are not feeling it with your sheets and protector which you likely cannot since the support of the latex has not diminished this should not pose a problem.  There are some mattresses that use significantly more wool than natura for quilting layers and even that would be rare to go over 3/4" from wool compaction.