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The latex bounces, how wil then provide pressure relief and support? May be some support but pressure relief - I don't think so. So latex does not work. Also latex is Not comfortable since it has bounce and PUSHBACK. This message was modified Dec 2, 2011 by Joed
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| In other words, all mattresses push back an equal amount of force on your body. This force is equal to the weight of your body pushing down on the mattress, the amount of pressure has to do with how much contact area there is to spread this force out more evenly over your body. For example when you sleep on your side, your shoulders and hips sink into the bed greatly creating more pressure on these areas than on other body parts. When sleeping on the same bed on your back, you will have less pressure overall due to having more surface area to spread the same weight out. Some beds are more conforming than others, this is defined in part by how elastic a bed is...latex foam is elastic and flexible, hence it is pressure relieving compared to a rigid firm mattress...unless of course you are sleeping on a super firm latex mattress. Memory foam is pliable and cradling; but ultimately still pushes back with the same total amount of force once it has adjusted; it just feels different and your posture may be slightly different than it is on a latex mattress. |
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budgy wrote: In other words, all mattresses push back an equal amount of force on your body. This force is equal to the weight of your body pushing down on the mattress, the amount of pressure has to do with how much contact area there is to spread this force out more evenly over your body. For example when you sleep on your side, your shoulders and hips sink into the bed greatly creating more pressure on these areas than on other body parts. When sleeping on the same bed on your back, you will have less pressure overall due to having more surface area to spread the same weight out. Some beds are more conforming than others, this is defined in part by how elastic a bed is...latex foam is elastic and flexible, hence it is pressure relieving compared to a rigid firm mattress...unless of course you are sleeping on a super firm latex mattress. Memory foam is pliable and cradling; but ultimately still pushes back with the same total amount of force once it has adjusted; it just feels different and your posture may be slightly different than it is on a latex mattress. I also read about pushback at this forum. It is not the same feeling I got with poly foam. The latex is bouncy and it is rubber. Try sleeping on rubber. It pinches even though it may be the softest. that pinch is pushback I guess. Very uncomfortable. If latex was so good we would have latex stores everywhere and latex beds would be carried at major retail stores too. Reality is here mattress firm and mattress giant have stopped carrying all latex beds they had. Because they told me they don't sell. Well they would sell if they were any goood wouldnt they? If latex was so great all stores would be carrying latex beds. But reality is almost no retail stores do. And it is pretty big hasle for most people to buy mattresses over the internet. people want to lay down on the beds in a store and feel them. Well there are no latex mattresses here. Because as I said if they were so good stores would carry them. But they don't. This message was modified Dec 3, 2011 by Joed
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When someone say "this does not work for me" (as I myself have done recently writing about my experience of a latex core and my preference for p/u), that is reasonable. When someone makes a blanket statement like "latex does not work" and "latex is not comfortable", it seems a little odd. What IS nonsense is to assume that whatever is true for one person is true for all people - especially on something as personal as a bed. This message was modified Dec 3, 2011 by RustyShackleford
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Joed wrote:
I also read about pushback at this forum. It is not the same feeling I got with poly foam. The latex is bouncy and it is rubber. Try sleeping on rubber. It pinches even though it may be the softest. that pinch is pushback I guess. Very uncomfortable. If latex was so good we would have latex stores everywhere and latex beds would be carried at major retail stores too. Reality is here mattress firm and mattress giant have stopped carrying all latex beds they had. Because they told me they don't sell. Well they would sell if they were any goood wouldnt they? If latex was so great all stores would be carrying latex beds. But reality is almost no retail stores do. And it is pretty big hasle for most people to buy mattresses over the internet. people want to lay down on the beds in a store and feel them. Well there are no latex mattresses here. Because as I said if they were so good stores would carry them. But they don't. |
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RustyShackleford wrote: When someone say "this does not work for me" (as I myself have done recently writing about my experience of a latex core and my preference for p/u), that is reasonable. When someone makes a blanket statement like "latex does not work" and "latex is not comfortable", it seems a little odd. What IS nonsense is to assume that whatever is true for one person is true for all people - especially on something as personal as a bed. Latex does pushback and it pushes back hard. I have had 3 latex mattresses, the firm ones and the softest ones and so I am talking from experience. May be you are "one" of those oddballs that like the pushback from a mattress. 99% of people don't. Most people do not find pushback "conmfortable" This message was modified Dec 3, 2011 by roy1
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budgy wrote: 2 inch of celsion latex upon 1 inch of dunlop latex upon 2 inch of talalaly latex and all this 6 inch sits atop a 8 inch base of some fancy name they call "soy foam" I slept on it for 30 minutes and it seemed soft. Perhaps all night sleeping would be different. I don't know since I have had enough of latex. It did not work for me after 3 mattresses. The firm ones and the soft ones all had pushbacks. The feeling is totally unpleasant. It may support but it does not provide presure relief. This message was modified Dec 3, 2011 by roy1
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So you are saying that a fast responding mattress is uncomfortable. So springs and latex don't work for 99% of people, I would say that overall most surveys and studies would disagree with you. So the only comfortable mattress for those 99% would be what? Memory foam because it is slow response and does not have the 'push back'? I think I need to stop posting here...because I am having a hard time absorbing these ridiculous blanket statements...you offer no real advice, you offer no solutions...you simply point the finger at one product which has worked for many people and say 'it's no good'. |
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Latex does pushback and it pushes back hard. I have had 3 latex mattresses, the firm ones and the softest ones and so I am talking from experience. May be you are "one" of those oddballs that like the pushback from a mattress. 99% of people don't. Most people do not find pushback "conmfortable" You seem easily provoked, sorry for feding into that. But I mainly want to learn. So I'm actually glad to hear that I'm not nuts for not liking the latex core (that I pulled from a mattress of latex+eggcrate). I just hope the p/u I replaced it with lasts awhile; but it's cheap enough to replace fiarly often I guess. I still think I like the latex topper. This message was modified Dec 3, 2011 by RustyShackleford
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I wouldn't see chain stores carrying all-latex mattresses because I think they would tend to be quite heavy for their size and fold over too much when trying to move. It is more difficult to deal with a zipper covered, layered latex mattress than one that is, well, one-piece. Of course, the layered latex mattresses have their advantages of split sides and being able to restack and change firmnesses. I was pretty surprised with what happened when I put the 3 layer talalay onto its matching pine slat foundation. There was nothing else I was doing that would have caused my right shoulder to hurt so much, but after 1 night on the config, I ran out to buy 'a mattress pad'.... which was really an attempt to make the bed softer and more pressure relieving. I knew I was at a point where experimenting with layer exchanges to try 'n make it work on that pine slat foundation would be almost intolerable. I was on my 4th mattress at that point already. So, I put the all latex back on 'box spring in one room and the TP Cloud in the other. Slept a couple nights on each for a week or so. Took a while but was crystal clear - I much preferred the TP Cloud and believe me, no lie, nothing to gain financially, I still do. Worth every penny of the $1600 for my right shoulder. One last thougt - I was VERY skeptical of Tempurpedic for 5 months and trying 4 other mattresses before getting it. I only wish I could take back the time and have bought it initially, but how would I have known? Guess I had to go through that process. This message was modified Dec 3, 2011 by slpngoc
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I think that the best way to understand any of the foams or springs (in regards to push back) would be that if you are pushing against something it has to push back (which someone posted in the very beginning). The problem with most mattress salespeople is that we are trained to sell an item and not a science... or physics. The truth is, when you are trying to find a sleep system that will allow you to sink where you need to (hips and shoulders) but be supported up where you need it (waist, lower back). Latex, when trying to find the right one for you, needs to allow your hips and shoulders to sink while still holding the small ofyour back up to keep your alignment correct. Too many times we "buy" the speech of the salesman (of which I am one) and do not pay attention to the way our back feels... or we don't spend enough time testing the beds that feel good at first. To top it off, we find all of the posts and reviews that are negative and completely write off a possible solution. I suggest that the method of support (coils, pocketed coils, latex, visco, etc.) while having their respective positive and negative attributes can be truly tested for you ONLY BY YOU. I use this method in my solutions presentation: "We want to find the most comfortable option in the following four areas..."
Ultimately, once you have done some research on what to expect to spend and then testing to prove your levels of comfort, you will find that more expensive does not necessarily mean more comfortable or even better. According to Englander's website (which I do not carry) you should expect to find a GOOD queen set (not specialty) coiled mattress for between $1000 and $1500 dollars (which should include the customer service elements of warranty, delivery, comfort exchange, durability and comfort). Specialty will probably be more, but there are options that can easily put you into that range without having to break the bank. Easy test: Go find 5 pillow top mattresses in your local store (tell the sales agent to leave you alone... seriously) at 5 different price points. You will probably find that the top 2 or 3 can feel really good without having to like the most expensive one... hope this helps!
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