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Re: Simmons BackGuard - DianeK
Nov 28, 2010 9:44 AM
Yes, that does sound like a pinched nerve - maybe the brachial plexus which would suggest some spinal involvement.  Very strange indeed.

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Re: Simmons BackGuard - DianeK
Nov 28, 2010 7:17 AM
There is a chance you rolled over because of discomfort just prior to waking up because it would be most likely that the arm you were sleeping on would be the numb one, not the other way around?

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Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Nov 28, 2010 11:21 AM
Seems very strange to me as well and I would also suspect some kind of nerve involvement.

Now that we have a "more suitable base" I want to just review some of your options and also confirm what you have to "play" with.

My understanding is that you have a 1" piece of latex of unknown ILD bought from foambymail (unknown because you never know exactly what you get from them and it feels firmer than the 20 you had ordered), 3/4' of soft eggcrate, and you were mentioning earlier that you also had a 2.5" piece of quality foam as well. Would you say this piece is softer or firmer than the doubled or tripled latex? ... and how big is it (does it cover the whole mattress?)

It would also help to know what kind of pillow you are usually using.

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Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Nov 27, 2010 9:36 PM
I posted some sources for 3" Talalay toppers here http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/forum/latex-toppers/16314-0-1.html

I'd probably be looking for around 24 ILD give or take (it's impossible for me to know for sure without some specific feedback from you knowing what latex you have laid on and how it felt)

I really like the rejuvenite but you'd have to call and see what it would cost to ship. If the 28 worked it would be great and the 19 may be OK too but probably a little soft for you.

The STL one is a great deal but I'm pretty sure it's 14 ILD which I think would be too soft. Don't know if they ship  to Canada or how much.

In general I would probably go with either places like Costco and Sams club for the return policy or mattresses.net and sleepez since they...

Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Nov 27, 2010 7:03 PM
The Celestra is a poly fiber or batting used in quilting. I'm glad that it's the 13.75 coils and I'm guessing that it probably has 2 x 3/8 layers of P34 as this model usually does but it's quibbling as the most important thing is that you got the better coils. Perhaps you got a model that has the thinner foam and the thicker coils.

They complicate it just to prevent the kind of consumer education that would cause their sales to suffer.

I would probably tend to a known ILD as foam by mail may be risky in terms of what you actually get. Some of the stories on the forum have confirmed that sometimes you get what you order and sometimes you don't get even close.

If the topper from Costco is in a reasonable range of ILD (and I'd call them...

Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Nov 28, 2010 12:35 PM
The 2.5 piece is only 16 x 24, or so. I had gotten it to liften my butt in middle soft zone of the BackGuard. Definitely softer than both the latex and the eggcrate.

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Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Nov 28, 2010 9:23 AM
You would think that but I just went and tried again and was able to reproduce it while I was awake. It used to happen all the time with the NXG as well. My opposite arm would fall asleep before me! Nobody has been able to give me an explanation about this, not even the doctor. It seems to happen when my middle sinks too much, maybe it pinches a nerve.

I have a feeling that my back is in a state of shock right now, so to speak. Even lying on the couch or sitting in my old chair starts to hurt within minutes while they use to be comfortable enough for me to watch a whole movie. I'm therefore unable to make any valid statement about what feels comfortable or not, just what hurts more or less......

Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Nov 28, 2010 5:37 AM
As planned, I slept on the egg crate foam (3/4 of an inch + the latex folded in two, for a total of 2.75 inches last night. Slept 5 hours in a row on my side (instead of 4 the previous night) and noticed some improvement on pressure points but the bed is still too hard to sleep a full night. I got up and added the ¾ soft poly foam and noticed right away a little more comfort. Fell asleep. 20 minutes later, I woke up with the opposite arm I was sleeping on completely numb, just like it did with the NXG 250. What do you make of this?

I contacted Foam and Home Decor, waiting for a reply.

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Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Nov 27, 2010 7:46 PM
Yes, it looks like what we have is indeed quite firm. What I mean by the coils breaking in is just that I hope to get some degree of comfort from the springs themselves. Right now, with nothing on it, it feels pretty much like sleeping on a carpeted floor.

What range of ILD would you consider suitable if I go with the 3 inches from Costco? If only purchasing another inch, who should I go with that doesn't charge an arm and a leg to deliver in Canada? FBM was pretty cheap all the way around. Only bad thing is that it took a full 2 weeks from the time I ordered to get the parcel....

Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Nov 27, 2010 6:30 PM
Thanks Pheonix. The gage of the coils is indeed 13.75 and this is all the foam that's on it: 2 layers of 5/16" PurFoam P34, 1 1/4" oz per square foot Celestra, 3/8" PurFoam P34. If I can count, it makes a total of one inch of P34. I don't know what the Celestra is. Is it the quilting? 

I'm going to experiment tonight by sleeping on the eggcrate (3/4 of an inch + the latex folded in two, for a total of 2.75 inches. I just made the bed this way and I know for a fact that I wouldn't want to have more than 3 inches of foam alltogether. So it's either the 3 inches from Costco by itself or another inch of latex, probably from Foambymail (they only have 20 and 32 ILD, so I'm not sure what would be best to go for).

I'm still hoping...

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