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I've been considering a latex mattress and so I have been reading thru this forum, which has been VERY HELPFUL, except that I keep seeing comments something like: "I love latex but it just doesn't work for me" or "I tried latex but I just couldn't sleep on it." These comments are rather vague, and rather scary! So I am wondering if anyone could elaborate. Why doesn't latex work for some people? What are the issues? Thanks Steve |
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I'm one of those people who can't sleep on latex--or I should say, I can't sleep on Talalay latex. Most of us have lower back issues, herniated or degenerating discs or osteoarthritis, and latex just doesn't seem to provide the rigid support we need to sleep comfortably. In fact it gave me the worst backache of my life. Those of us who can't sleep on latex but love the idea of it, are gravitating to hybrid mattresses that incorporate small layers of latex and sometimes memory foam over an innerspring. We tend to think that offers the best of both worlds. That being said I'd hate to scare you off of latex, because if you can sleep on it its a great material--hygenic and highly durable-- that will last a long, long time. If you do go that route just be careful to buy it somewhere you can return it without a restocking fee if you discover you're also in that group of people who can't sleep on latex. Anyway, if you need more elaboration, check out my other posts on the subject. This message was modified May 23, 2008 by cloud9
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| Thanks Cloud. Judging from your posts it sounds like you can't sleep on Talalay but you can (& DO) sleep on Dunlop. Thats good to hear, because I am pretty close to buying the SleepEZ 10000 (3 layers). They suggested Dunlop when I told them I weigh 250 lbs - apparently Dunlop will hold up better because it has more rubber and less air. My only real issue with this bed is the lack of padding materials. Its really just firm latex with a thin quilted cover. And because I am heavy he recommended all firm layers (actually he recommended med over firm over extrafirm). So I am worried that the bed will feel too firm and I will have to end up buying a topper. The equivalent FloBeds mattress has 2" of convulted foam for softness (& more quilting). We actually do have a wool topper that we use now and we would probably use that with the 10000. Do you think that would be soft enough? Thanks again! |
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I like having a topper and my FloBeds soft zippered mattress cover. I like Talalay Latex and feel that a three layers of a 38 to 39 ILD (some of the 36 ILD's average to this) over a 44 ILD over a 44 ILD) with the soft topper on it would feel wonderful to you with a great exchange policy. I tried sleeping without any topper at all (mine is 1" since I am not quite 5 feet tall and around 100 pounds so I needed less padding since I don't sink in so much) and it hurt my pressure points since I sleep on my side. If I was you, I would go into mattress stores and find out which beds had Talalay Latex and which had Dunlap Latex and what their ILD's were before making a decision. If you able to visit SleepEZ and love their bed that would be great but if you can't, be sure since you are are given only one exchange and I think the zippered mattress cover differs. But both SleepEZ and FloBeds have wonderful reputations so you can't go wrong but do not rule out 44 ILD and 36 to 39 ILD Talalay Latex which can be very firm and supportive until you try it. |
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Lynn2006 wrote: ... do not rule out 44 ILD and 36 to 39 ILD Talalay Latex which can be very firm and supportive until you try it. I haven't been able to find any Dunlop mattresses to test in Seattle so far! I did test several Talalay mattresses and agree that in the store they feel great. My concern is that, even at the firmer ILDs, talalay is more likely to soften and lose support than Dunlop. I am basing that entirely on the word on one guy - Shawn at SleepEZ - from what I hear he is a guy that can be believed - he said us heavier folk should stick to Dunlop. He also said any "soft" pieces would not work for me - they would wear too soon. He recommended I get Medium over Firm over Xfirm. So thats how I am leaning at the moment. I just tested an Englander all natural (talalay) extra firm. It consists of a 6" Firm Density Latex Core with 1" Plush Firm Latex each side and a 100% Quilted Organic Cotton Cover. This bed is definitely too hard to sleep on so it would require a softer topper or 2, but it should make a good core for building on, and it should last a long time. And it can be flipped if one side starts showing impressions. So I am also considering that approach. My concern here (again) is the talalay, which I fear won't last as long as Dunlop, and the Englander rep, which frankly doesn't seem too great from what I can tell. Any feedback appreciated! This message was modified May 24, 2008 by st3v3k4hn
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Steve, I do not know why Dunlap Latex would last longer than very firm Talalay Latex. I can see it laster longer than soft latex but this is just my opinion. What was the ILD Density on the Englander you tested since each companies Firm differs in the firmness? What was the ILD Density of the soft cushion? Also only have 6" of latex over a very firm base, will be much firmer than three latex cores on top of one another. I would call around to find out if anyone has a mattress made of Dunlap Latex to try out even if it is a far drive since you will be allowed one exchange with SleepEz. If you really want to try the Dunlap (there are people on this site that like it a lot), maybe Shawn will work with you in writing to give you two exchanges. Also maybe he will work with you on a topper as part of the package since he seems knowledgeable and caring. Whatever combination of latex cores you choose, it will feel so much different than those you are trying out in the stores since you will be farther away from the firm bottom solid base. Hence, you need to have a few exchanges to get the right combination. I know no matter what combination of Latex cores I set up, I needed that 1" latex soft cushion or the bed was too hard and by using softer latex cores under me and no topper, the bed made my back hurt with less support underneath me. I am sleeping on a 1" topper over a Extra Firm over an extra firm over a super firm which is a 39 ILD over a 36 ILD over a 46 ILD on the side of my bed that I like best (the 36 ILD FloBed has varies on the average just like all latex does so I prefer the ones that have higher ILD averages than the ILD listed on the side... Latex International shows testing on the side of the latex core and then rates each side and gives an average rating) while my other side has a 35 ILD over a 44 ILD over a 34 ILD and I am feeling it is a little soft but doable for my back since with the 1" topper. I am thinking of asking Dave for one or two more exchanges (for my other side of my bed.. my friend loves that side but it is MY bed) since I returned three toppers that Dave sent me (2" silky and soft and wonderful for a bigger person who likes a soft cushion, 1.5" Dunlap medium latex toppper and a 1.5" soft Talalay Latex topper ) . The 1.5" soft Latex Topper Dave sent me was too soft. I am sure he would have sent me a 1" topper in exchange but when I found the sale at Brylane Home, I decided to just buy what felt I would need since I loved my bed and was just needing a thinner topper to go over my very firm set up for a little cushion on my pressure points. I disliked the feel of the Dunlap topper that did not provide me enough cushion but I can see it would be a good base core. I had no idea that I would not like more than 1" of softness on top. Hence, instead of the credit for returning the topper, I would like another 38 and 39 ILD latex cores (36 ILD extra firm cores that average out to a higher ILD). I can really feel the difference between the 39 iLD and the 35 ILD since my car accident. Before that my set up would have been a little bit too firm I think. It amazes me since I was told small people like softer beds. I am not quite 5 feet. My combination using SleepEz system would be a 1" topper over a Firm over a Firm over an X-Firm since SleepEz firmness names go with different ILD #'s which is not bad or good, it is just something one needs to know when choosing cores based on ILD's and not firmness names. If you try the Dunalap Latex from SleepEz, please let us know how it is. If you decide to try the Dunlap Latex and it is a bit soft with a topper, you can always move the Firm on top of the Medium so maybe the combination you set up work work for you after all. I wish I could be of better help but I never tried a Dunalp Latex core and only tried the too firm for me Dunalap Latex topper. Maybe you would like a Talalay Latex topper over the Dunalap Latex cores for a little cushion? I also love my latex pillow so you may want to ask Shawn if he has a special on a latex pillow he can add in to the package for a good price. |
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Lynn2006 wrote: Steve, I do not know why Dunlap Latex would last longer than very firm Talalay Latex. I can see it laster longer than soft latex but this is just my opinion. What was the ILD Density on the Englander you tested since each companies Firm differs in the firmness? What was the ILD Density of the soft cushion? Also only have 6" of latex over a very firm base, will be much firmer than three latex cores on top of one another. I would call around to find out if anyone has a mattress made of Dunlap Latex to try out even if it is a far drive since you will be allowed one exchange with SleepEz. If you really want to try the Dunlap (there are people on this site that like it a lot), maybe Shawn will work with you in writing to give you two exchanges. Also maybe he will work with you on a topper as part of the package since he seems knowledgeable and caring. Whatever combination of latex cores you choose, it will feel so much different than those you are trying out in the stores since you will be farther away from the firm bottom solid base. Hence, you need to have a few exchanges to get the right combination. I know no matter what combination of Latex cores I set up, I needed that 1" latex soft cushion or the bed was too hard and by using softer latex cores under me and no topper, the bed made my back hurt with less support underneath me. I am sleeping on a 1" topper over a Extra Firm over an extra firm over a super firm which is a 39 ILD over a 36 ILD over a 46 ILD on the side of my bed that I like best (the 36 ILD FloBed has varies on the average just like all latex does so I prefer the ones that have higher ILD averages than the ILD listed on the side... Latex International shows testing on the side of the latex core and then rates each side and gives an average rating) while my other side has a 35 ILD over a 44 ILD over a 34 ILD and I am feeling it is a little soft but doable for my back since with the 1" topper. I am thinking of asking Dave for one or two more exchanges (for my other side of my bed.. my friend loves that side but it is MY bed) since I returned three toppers that Dave sent me (2" silky and soft and wonderful for a bigger person who likes a soft cushion, 1.5" Dunlap medium latex toppper and a 1.5" soft Talalay Latex topper ) . The 1.5" soft Latex Topper Dave sent me was too soft. I am sure he would have sent me a 1" topper in exchange but when I found the sale at Brylane Home, I decided to just buy what felt I would need since I loved my bed and was just needing a thinner topper to go over my very firm set up for a little cushion on my pressure points. I disliked the feel of the Dunlap topper that did not provide me enough cushion but I can see it would be a good base core. I had no idea that I would not like more than 1" of softness on top. Hence, instead of the credit for returning the topper, I would like another 38 and 39 ILD latex cores (36 ILD extra firm cores that average out to a higher ILD). I can really feel the difference between the 39 iLD and the 35 ILD since my car accident. Before that my set up would have been a little bit too firm I think. It amazes me since I was told small people like softer beds. I am not quite 5 feet. My combination using SleepEz system would be a 1" topper over a Firm over a Firm over an X-Firm since SleepEz firmness names go with different ILD #'s which is not bad or good, it is just something one needs to know when choosing cores based on ILD's and not firmness names. If you try the Dunalap Latex from SleepEz, please let us know how it is. If you decide to try the Dunlap Latex and it is a bit soft with a topper, you can always move the Firm on top of the Medium so maybe the combination you set up work work for you after all. I wish I could be of better help but I never tried a Dunalp Latex core and only tried the too firm for me Dunalap Latex topper. Maybe you would like a Talalay Latex topper over the Dunalap Latex cores for a little cushion? I also love my latex pillow so you may want to ask Shawn if he has a special on a latex pillow he can add in to the package for a good price. I love when people provide tons of help and then say "I wish I could be of better help..." Re: ...I do not know why Dunlap Latex would last longer than very firm Talalay Latex... Re: ...What was the ILD Density on the Englander you tested... Re: ...you need to have a few exchanges to get the right combination... Re: ...I know no matter what combination of Latex cores I set up, I needed that 1" latex soft cushion or the bed was too hard... By the way, the store I visited today had layered latex beds like these, made by a company called OMI. They were all organic, natural Talalay, and seemed pretty nice. But over $4k for the king! I'm sticking to the online guys! Thanks again! |
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Steve, have you received your Dunlop topper yet? My husband is about your weight and I'm anxious to hear how you liked it. I know it won't be the same as testing a complete 2 or 3 layer bed but maybe you'll have at least some idea of the feel of Dunlop. Mimi |