Help With Finding a Mattress
Mar 31, 2008 11:40 AM
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My husband has had both a neck and lower back fusion.  Right now he sleeps in a recliner most of the time as he can only lay in our bed for about four hours before the pain is too much.  Currently we have a seven inch firm latex matress in a waterbed frame with two foam toppers.  One is 3 inch 3.3 pound viscoelastic memory foam topper and a 2 inch foamex resilitex medium.  We went looking at mattresses and the one so far that seemed most comfortable to him is the Tempur Pedic Bella Sonna because it seemed to feel the best on his pressure points.  However the price is really up there for that mattress. Is there anything out there such as different toppers that we could use to get the same effect the the Bella Sonna? 

Thank you for your help,

Emi

Re: Help With Finding a Mattress
Reply #2 Mar 31, 2008 2:06 PM
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Kim,

Thanks for your reply.  We added the second foam because the first wasn't enough.  I don't know if my husband tried the Tempurpedic adjustable bed or not.  I will have to ask him.  I know he is looking for something soft yet supportive for his pressure points.  I will check out Lynn2006 postings.

Thanks,

Emi

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Reply #3 Apr 1, 2008 8:27 AM
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The Resilitex medium does not last long.  Don't keep it more than a year or two.  It noticeably softens, and can be very bad for your back (I speak from experience).  Foamex made a big mistake with Resilitex.
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Reply #4 Apr 1, 2008 8:59 AM
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"Currently we have a seven inch firm latex mattress"

Do you have any details on that latex? Some companies might call a 28 ILD firm, but that would be far too soft as a base for the visco and foamex. My WAG would be that the temper beds use an HR approaching 50. I would also guess (complete guess) that the Sonna system uses a firm latex, and possibly zoned since would be much more supportive while you're building it that way.
With those injuries, is he a backsleeper? If so, definitely needs firmer base. Even if not, your setup still sounds way too soft. I just have normal over-the-hill, weekend warrior back issues which require support in hip area through custom zoning (and those are painful enough) so I really feel for someone with serious issues. Jim and Lynn have been dealing with complications of injuries. You should do some back-reading on their posts.
IMO you should strip the system down to the latex mattress, possibly even cutting off the cover so you're impacting just the latex (eliminating the possible trampoline effect), and build up from there. With your serious medical condition, I would use present materials to figure out what is required. I wouldn't buy a new mattress until I had that resolved. Also, regarding neck pain, I would give some serious attention to pillow depth. There are forums.
Good luck.
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Reply #5 Apr 2, 2008 12:10 PM
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 Do you have any details on that latex? Some companies might call a 28 ILD firm, but that would be far too soft as a base for the visco and foamex. My WAG would be that the temper beds use an HR approaching 50. I would also guess (complete guess) that the Sonna system uses a firm latex, and possibly zoned since would be much more supportive while you're building it that way.
With those injuries, is he a backsleeper? If so, definitely needs firmer base. Even if not, your setup still sounds way too soft. I just have normal over-the-hill, weekend warrior back issues which require support in hip area through custom zoning (and those are painful enough) so I really feel for someone with serious issues. Jim and Lynn have been dealing with complications of injuries. You should do some back-reading on their posts.
IMO you should strip the system down to the latex mattress, possibly even cutting off the cover so you're impacting just the latex (eliminating the possible trampoline effect), and build up from there. With your serious medical condition, I would use present materials to figure out what is required. I wouldn't buy a new mattress until I had that resolved. Also, regarding neck pain, I would give some serious attention to pillow depth. There are forums.

Thanks MCCLDWLL

We have had it a while so I am not sure what the ILD is.  It is a firm latex mattress.  He is a back sleeper but with trying different firmness he seems to think that he needs it softer not firmer because of his pressure points.  How would I go about figuring out what I would need?  I don't understand what the ILD numbers mean.

Emi

Re: Help With Finding a Mattress
Reply #6 Apr 2, 2008 12:13 PM
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The Resilitex medium does not last long.  Don't keep it more than a year or two.  It noticeably softens, and can be very bad for your back (I speak from experience).  Foamex made a big mistake with Resilitex.

MequonJim

Wow I didn't know that.  Thank you for the information.

Emi

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Reply #7 Apr 2, 2008 12:16 PM
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Plug in as much info about the mattress as you can--age, price, 7" solid (dubious) or includes quilted cover, where purchased, manufacturer, materials tag, etc.--and people here should be able to determine what you might have and provide help. Also, are you dead certain it's latex, and not just a foam mattress?
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Reply #8 Apr 2, 2008 1:37 PM
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Plug in as much info about the mattress as you can--age, price, 7" solid (dubious) or includes quilted cover, where purchased, manufacturer, materials tag, etc.--and people here should be able to determine what you might have and provide help. Also, are you dead certain it's latex, and not just a foam mattress?

mccldwl, 
It was a local place that makes mattresses but we were told it was a latex mattress because that is what we were looking for but who knows for sure.  What life span does latex have?
Emi
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Reply #9 Apr 2, 2008 3:23 PM
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Please provide as much of the info requested as possible.
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Reply #10 Apr 6, 2008 11:29 AM
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Washington Post 3/18/08

Long article on importance of pillows for alignment,
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Reply #11 Apr 7, 2008 1:05 AM
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Mccldwell, Thank you for letting me know about the good pillow article that I read after registering for what looks like a great online Washington Post newspaper.  I copied it below with the link and hope others register to fully utilize the services of this great site. I am glad you let me know about it. I found a few other articles that I found interesting.  I just finished working at 12:45 AM from early this morning and this site ws the perfect relaxation for me to get my mind off of taxes.  I always knew my pillow was important and that is why I used to bring it with me on all my business trips when I used to travel for business. That is why I am always trying to find the perfect pillow height for my side sleeping and petite size ever since my very old latex foam pillow had to be replaced and most of the newer latex pillows are just a tad too high for me.  We are blessed to have you on this site sharing wonderful knowledge. I always like to read your posts.

 
 
Pillows: The Inside Story
You Think They're Merely Stuff and Feathers. Your Back Begs to Differ.

By Robin Wright
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 18, 2008; HE01

I love my pillows -- the bigger and puffier the better. I've always thought of them as the ultimate allies, cradles of comfort outside the womb, the means to melt into peaceful slumber.

And I've been so wrong.

I started taking pillows more seriously after two shoulder surgeries on one arm affected my good arm, neck and upper back. The good arm became even more painful than the bad one. Among the myriad issues we explored, my physical therapist and rehabilitation doctor separately brought up pillows and what they're really for -- which is getting your wayward body back in line.

Since then, I've looked at pillows in a whole new way. The pillow, after all, is the inanimate object with which people arguably spend the most time -- up to a third of their lives. Along the way, I've learned answers to questions I'd never previously thought to ask. Some of them made me shudder.

So how old is your pillow?

One byproduct of my research was learning about the health of the pillow itself.

On her Web site, Mercia Tapping, president of AllergyBuyersClub.com, recalled returning to her parents' home and finding pillows that were at least 20 years old. "Moldy, smelly and stained," she writes.

Repositories of body moisture, dead skin and drool, pillows offer irresistible digs to dust mites and fungi. A 2005 medical study of pillows -- said to be the first since 1936 -- found up to 16 species of fungi in a single pillow. Testing both feather and synthetic pillows that ranged from 18 months to 20 years old, University of Manchester researchers found several thousand spores of fungus per gram of used pillow -- a higher count than you'd find on a used toothbrush. A minute's soak in hydrogen peroxide can kill the toothbrush spores; not so with a pillow.

And the consequences can be serious.

"Given the time spent sleeping, and the proximity of the pillow to the airway, synthetic and feather pillows could be the primary source of fungi and fungal products. This has important implications for patients with respiratory disease, and especially asthma and sinusitis," Ashley Woodcock, the University of Manchester research team leader, wrote in the journal Allergy.

A dry steam cleaner can kill fungi, Tapping advises. So can putting a pillow in a plastic bag and freezing the pillow, which can also take care of mites. (Good to know, though I'm not sure I'd want to eat anything that had been in the freezer next to it -- or sleep on a pillow with freeze-dried mites.) Some stores now sell dust mite covers for pillows. Alternatively, wool and natural latex pillows are more mite-resistant.

The average department store pillow lasts about 18 months, Tapping writes in a helpful treatise on pillow health -- the pillow's and the owner's ( http://www.allergybuyersclub.com/perfect-pillow.html). "If you fold over your pillow in half and the poor thing just lies there, you have a dead pillow. Time to bury it."

Alpaca pillows are among the longest-lasting, she says.

Why is a pillow such a big deal? What damage can a pillow do?

"Typically, people like to use two or three pillows under their head, and they end up getting forward head posture" because the head is pushed unnaturally forward, out of alignment with the spine, explained Michael Uttecht, my Georgetown University Hospital physical therapist.

"The body will adapt to that position and assume it, which leads to a lot of neck tension, shoulder problems, headaches and then loss of range of motion in their neck as well."

Avoiding pillows altogether is just as bad. You need something to prop up the neck and head so the spine stays aligned.

As people age, they generally tend to develop forward posture -- a kind of shoulder slumping, he explained. The problem has become more severe in computer-centered societies, as people hunch forward over their keyboards all day.

Sleep is the time to let the body heal and realign. But that requires the right pillow.

"If you see people on the street that look like they're looking down, sometimes it's a mechanical problem, sometimes it's neurological, sometimes it's orthopedic. But there are people . . . [who] sit at their desks with their heads way forward, then go home at night and say pushing their head back hurts. So they stack the pillows, so the head is forward all the time," explained John Toerge, a Georgetown University Hospital pain specialist.

"It starts to have consequences of wear and tear," he added. "One of the big issues is trying to get to a point where you relax backward or slide backwards or go into an extension moving backwards, so you get into alignment and take care of what's gone on during the day."

Otherwise, neck and back pain can only get worse.

So how do you find the right pillow?

In the end, it's personal choice. And the choices are many.

Once crafted from straw, wood and even porcelain, pillows now come in silk, wool, alpaca, latex, cotton, foam and "memory foam," lyocell (from wood pulp cellulose), air pump-ups and many kinds of down. Some have built-in headphone outlets. Others use super-cleaned materials for sleepers with asthma and allergies.

One major healthy-pillow outlet offers a dizzying selection, including the neck pillow, comfort pillow, husband pillow (complete with two arms and a high back), back body pillow, Magniflex wave pillow, head cradle, Millennium pillow, grand pillow and the all-purpose pillow. It also offers a back wedge, a back leg wedge, a doughnut and the back bed lounger.

Although somewhat alike, its "symphony pillow" differs from the "rhapsody pillow" because the former has "a gently arched side that provides head and neck support while the reverse side provides a traditional pillow feel for side sleepers." The rhapsody is filled with shapeable micro-cushions. But the names don't give consumers many clues about what they're getting.

Health professionals offer tips for making tough decisions. The most basic is to try it out. Go to a store and spend 15 to 30 minutes with each product, Uttecht advised. "Get on a bed and see if it really fits. Bring someone along to check if your body is in alignment," he said.

How you sleep determines a lot. For side sleepers, the nose-to-navel rule is a good guideline. The nose and the navel should be the same height off the bed. The goal is to align the back and head -- and prevent the head from being propped above the spine.

Belly sleepers tend to like the softest pillows, but sleeping on the stomach is bad all around, especially for the neck and body alignment, according to physicians and physical therapists. Uttecht sleeps with a long body pillow just to prevent himself from rolling over and sleeping on his stomach during the night.

Side sleepers tend to prefer the firmest support because they have space to fill under the neck. Back sleepers tend to like medium support, experts say. But back sleepers should be aware of the dangers of the head being propped up out of alignment.

A person's size and weight also make a difference. One size does not fit all.

"Pillows are dangerous because people tend to read an advertisement that a pillow will fix their neck," said Uttecht. "But no pillow fits every person's body. You have to understand your alignment for it to work appropriately."

So what did I do?

Researched and ready, I headed to a Healthy Back Store to do my own testing. Self-conscious at first, I got into the swing of it, moving from bed to bed to find one that matched the feel of my mattress, then trying two dozen pillows, taking my time to lie on each and see how I settled into it.

Some pillows the salesperson wouldn't let me try. "They're made for big men," he said, and I'm a small woman. I liked one of the memory foam pillows and the smallest version of a model with an extra curve that goes under the neck.

Then cost became a consideration. Good pillows can run anywhere from $75 up to $500.

I picked the one that left me with enough left over to buy the dust mite cover, too.

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