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I've been reading the threads here for a few months, ever since we began considering a new bed. I thought it was about time I registered and posted, as I saw an product at Costco.com that piqued my interest. And, I was wondering what the members here thought of it, based on the following info:
It's a motorized adjustable split King latex bed. http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11518816 -Both the motorized base and the mattress appear to be made by Leggett & Platt, http://www.natures-caress.com/ $4500 is definitely a lot of scratch for a bed. OTOH, the one Tempurpedic model that we liked in the store, Rhapsody, is $8200 for the same size with motorized base! (Holy crap!) I know that Costco had the Sleep Science Latex motorized bed last month that cost substantially less. They also have the SS memory foam Emma adjustable bed now for much less. But, the L&P latex mattress definitely seems like a better mat than the Emma . And, the L&P base seems better than either Sleep Science Memory or Latex adjustables (wall-hugger, and US vs China made). So, it seems like a classic case of getting what you pay for. (Although, I could be wrong.) Also, I have a bit of a problem in regards to my wife. She really liked the TP Rhapsody compared to the Latex mats they had at the store, which were Vera Wang by Serta. I was under the impression that the Vera Wangs were pretty good Latex mats. But, quite frankly, they felt a lot like spring mats. Although, I did like the firmest one. Does anybody know of a high quality mainstream Latex mat that is carried by the major retailers that we could try? I'd rather get latex. So, I'd like to find one that would help me convince her that we should try this latex adjustable from Costco. This message was modified Apr 5, 2010 by garypen
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Hi Gary, I don't have an opinion about the latex bed that comes with the Leggett and Platt adjustable, but I can give you a small amount of info that I've found. Latex in the Northern CA area: Mancini's has Englander, Mattress Discounters (owned by Sleep Train) has Simmons Natural, and most of the rest have Vera Wang. Also you could call Connolly's Furniture in Fremont and see what they carry - (510) 656-2880. I do own an ErgoMotion 400 adjustable bed from Mancini's which cost me 1200.00. I love it! It is quiet, and a wall hugger and I have had no problems with it at all. I was using it with my TP Cloud Supreme. I later returned the Cloud and am now using the Ergo with a FloBed. Ergomotion 400 product info: link Best to you, Natalie BTW, I love the TP Rhapsody too, but as the Cloud failed me, I wanted to try latex so am in month two of my FloBed 90 day trial period. |
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Thanks for being the only one so far to chime in with some advice. I believe I saw one of your previous posts about he Ergomotion 400. I had downloaded their brochure and installation manual because of that. Looks like a good unit. And, if the price is low enough, I will consider it. However, I do prefer to avoid Made in China goods on the rare occasion that I actually have that choice. The L&P is made in US. (Although, the parts are probably Made in China, anyway.) Is the Ergo quiet? Does yours have the DC motor, massage, and wireless remote? Do you recall what Mancini might have been asking for the Ergo 400 in split king size? Did you get a chance to try any of those mainstream latex models in the stores before ordering your custom mattress from Flobeds? If so, how would you compare them? And, how do you like your Flobeds mat so far, btw? What firmness are your layers? (I'm sure I read one of your posts about it already, but don't remember those details.) What didn't you like about the TP Cloud? Too soft? The Cloud is supposed to be one of their softer models. The Rhapsody uses their high density visco. It was the only TP I liked. I didn't sink into it as much. I don't like the feeling of sinking in too much. It feels like I'm lying in a Gary-shaped mold, which is weird. With the Rhapsody, I felt like I was laying on the mattress, not in it. So, if I did go with MF, I would definitely pick a firm/dense one like the Rhapsody, but probably not an actual TP. ($5000 for the split king Rhapsody is kinda steep.) But, like you, I wanna at least try, asnd hopefully love, a latex mattress on general principle. |
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The only reason I don't like this mattress is because of the PU foam in it. Otherwise it sounds good. I agree about finding US made if I have a choice and it is better. Sam's Club has 2 latex mattresses to choose from. See my thread on that one. One is Latex International natural latex, a zoned latex. The other one is Latexco (US made also) dunlop that is also zoned. They also offer adjustable US made frames. I have never bought from Sam's Club, but I hear the returns are just as easy as the Costco. These are US made, and have no PU foam in it. The thing I don't care for if glue. The link from one person said it was safe glue, but I don't care for gluing layers period. I had a Sealy Trueform that was glued, and I would have removed the memory foam if I could have. Mine broke down just like Natalie's Tempurpedic. That is something that happens with PU foam. This message was modified Apr 6, 2010 by Leo3
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Thanks for the info Leo. We are only assuming that the 1" foam on either side is PU. It probably is, of course, but not definitely. And, for me, that's not a huge issue with 10" of Latex being the bulk of the support. The Sealy innserspring I have now is almost 12 years old, and the foam outer padding, which I assume is also PU, is still fine as outer padding, which is what it looks like it's being used for in the L&P mattress, as well. But, I can see it being somewhat of a concern. I did see those latex mats at the Sam's website. (based on posts on this forum btw. |
) But, I don't have a Sam's Club membership, and I try and avoid shopping at Wal-Mart for a variety of reasons, some of which are similar to why I try to avoid "made in china". |
garypen wrote: Thanks for being the only one so far to chime in with some advice. I believe I saw one of your previous posts about he Ergomotion 400. I had downloaded their brochure and installation manual because of that. Looks like a good unit. And, if the price is low enough, I will consider it. However, I do prefer to avoid Made in China goods on the rare occasion that I actually have that choice. The L&P is made in US. (Although, the parts are probably Made in China, anyway.) Is the Ergo quiet? Does yours have the DC motor, massage, and wireless remote? Do you recall what Mancini might have been asking for the Ergo 400 in split king size? Did you get a chance to try any of those mainstream latex models in the stores before ordering your custom mattress from Flobeds? If so, how would you compare them? And, how do you like your Flobeds mat so far, btw? What firmness are your layers? (I'm sure I read one of your posts about it already, but don't remember those details.) What didn't you like about the TP Cloud? Too soft? The Cloud is supposed to be one of their softer models. The Rhapsody uses their high density visco. It was the only TP I liked. I didn't sink into it as much. I don't like the feeling of sinking in too much. It feels like I'm lying in a Gary-shaped mold, which is weird. With the Rhapsody, I felt like I was laying on the mattress, not in it. So, if I did go with MF, I would definitely pick a firm/dense one like the Rhapsody, but probably not an actual TP. ($5000 for the split king Rhapsody is kinda steep.) But, like you, I wanna at least try, asnd hopefully love, a latex mattress on general principle. At the time I bought the Ergo 400 I was told it was made by L&P and there was in fact a link to ErgoMotion on L&P's website. The link is no longer there and though countless salesman have told me the parts are from L&P and assembled in China, I really couldn't say for sure. You can email them and ask at info@ergomotion.us. It is very quiet (my skittish kitties don't even notice it), and has the DC motor massage and wireless remote and a preset Zero Gravity position. Also comes with a back-up battery unit for use if there is power outage. I have no idea what a split king costs. As I haven't had any problems with it, I can't really say anything about customer service except they answer their emails in a friendly and timely manner. My TP Cloud was firm at first, then softened to perfection, but THEN softened to the point where it became compressed and actually got hard, not firm, but hard. The foam density on the Cloud is 4.1lbs vs. the Rhapsody's 7lbs, so if I were to try TP again, I would go with the Rhapsody. On a side note: I wouldn't recommend TP's mattress protector. My queen was 89.00 and felt/ sounded like a plastic garbage bag. I owned and hated the Englander Nature's Finest that I bought at Mancini's. It was called the Gardenia and was a pillow top, which was probably part of the problem. I have no idea what the composition of the bed was, I could never get a straight answer from Mancini's about it, I just know it was way too firm for me. The Vera Wang non-pillow top was okay, and I really did like the Simmon's All Natural plush model (can't remember the model name) at Mattress Discounters. My impressions were based on laying on each for about 30 min. I never did look up the configuration of either to see if they contain PU foam. As Leo points out, PU foam does indeed break down. Unfortunate, because I really do love the feel of foam. The jury is still out on talalay latex for me, but I would choose FloBeds over store brand talalay latex hands down due to their quality, awesome customer service, and customizing. Though most FloBed owners I've read prefer their beds firmer, medically I need softer, so right now mine is S/M/F. As always, my posts are based on my opinions only, YMMV Natalie This message was modified Apr 6, 2010 by Natalia
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Opinions are what I'm looking for! And, so far, between you and Leo, I've gotten some helpful ones. Hopefully, I'll get some more. This message was modified Apr 6, 2010 by garypen
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One more opinion from me would be to try the bed from Costco. You won't know for sure if any bed is right for you until you've had the benefit of using it in your own home. The only mattress retailer I know of who allows returns (other than Costco), in No. California is Sleep Train. 100 night money back guaranty. They gave me a full refund on the TP Cloud and even took back the TP pillow and mattress protector. If I had to do it all over again in dealing strictly with retailers (FloBeds, Sleepez excluded) here's the order I'd go with to keep all options open: 1) Try the bed from Costco - returnable if it didn't work out, nothing out of pocket 2) Take the 90 day trial on the TP Rhapsody DIRECT from TP - 175.00 out of pocket for return shipping on Rhapsody (don't take freebies that you may have to pay for if you return the bed). 3) Buy from Sleep Train where you can get your money back and still be able to go elsewhere if you choose to. As for convincing your wife, the idea of trying the Costco bed and being able to return it may be a good start BTW, I read all the info on the bed and it does sound very nice. Cheers, Natalie |
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My Sealy Trueform was 5.4 lb. memory foam so that should have been better, but it broke down in less than 6 months. The same as Natalie, I loved it the first few months, then hip pain, back pain. It became like quicksand, I had to crawl out of the hole. I personally don't care to shop at Costco or Sam's Club, it is like a rat race. I am not a member of Costco and you can order online, you just pay 5% over. I think it is the same at Sam's Club, online only, not sure of the charge without a card. I don't have a card at either place, they both sell made in China items, and some US made. It is like that everywhere. I would love to shop somewhere they sell US made only, dream on, those days are long gone. Even New Balance shoes I have to look inside the shoe before I buy, they are making more in China, and less in USA. Off my soap box now. I am undecided on what to do myself. I am layering latex toppers over my old flippable spring mattress. The springs are still good and hard as a rock. I still am having hip pain. Some people still do have hip pain even after going all latex. We all have different experiences. If you are young and have no aches and pains you will probably be a winner with latex. I am too chicken to buy an all latex mattress yet. Natalie was brave, but as she said she is still deciding. Lots of people here have loved them, and lots of people have returned them (at Flobeds, some at Costco). Good luck, and tell us what you decide and your ages (if you so desire) some of us do (I did) and what you physical situation (i.e. hip pain, bursitis) etc. and if the latex actually worked for you. I just wish I could get brave and risk it, it is a lot of work getting a new mattress and costly. I have been through so many mattresses already, before I realized it wasn't me it was the cheap crummy PU foam they were putting in the mattresses the last decade or so. I had a spring mattress with memory foam over the springs, Europa, I hated it. I think I had a Restonic before that (can't remember the names anymore). I wasted $2,000 on the Sealy Trueform after 6 months I had to stop using it, it was killing me. I wonder if my hips will ever be the same now. This is my opinion on the mattresses by the way. Some people can sleep on anything and it works, not me. This message was modified Apr 7, 2010 by Leo3
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I thought Vera Wang was all synthetic latex? You asked about mattresses that were latex that you could try locally. There are Natura organic mattresses that are recommended by Budgy (our resident mattress saleperson/expert) as they don't have any PU foam or Boric Acid). Not sure if you have a mattress store that sells them nearby. Not sure of return policies. Do you have a Savy Rest nearby? Google them for locations. Some people like those. At least with those you can change the layers around, but you can return it. You can only exchange Dunlop for Talalay, no returns. |
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Natalia - #1 has always been my #1 choice, as well. But, even with Costco's excellent return policy, I'm still having a hard time convincing her. I was also already considering #2. But, even with the guarantee, TP's prices are kinda steep. I suppose I could buy the motorized frame locally. But, $5K is a lot for the matts alone. Thanks for the tip about Sleep Train. I thought all the chain stores had only exchange guarantees. It's good to know one has a money-back guarantee. OTOH, ST's prices were pretty steep. Looks like full MSRP on everything. Do they haggle like the others? |