preventing sagging from sitting up in bed
Dec 31, 2010 1:48 PM
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Hi all,

I just found this forum while trying to do research before purchasing a new mattress and thought you all could help. I am going to purchase a King size mattress/box spring. Don't need cheap, but don't want to spend more than I have to either. My big issue is I am retired and spend a great deal of time sitting up in bed, either using my laptop or watching tv. Most people do this in an office or living room, but I do it in bed. So, I spend almost as much time sitting as I do sleeping. Obviously, the mattress develops a good sized divot where my butt is up by the headboard. I don't want a reclining mattress because I sit straighter up usually than those provide and change the angle of my upper body often. I prefer just moving the pillows I use to recline on. So, I need a mattress with very good durable support, yet soft enough, yet firm, to sleep on later. I've had a pillow top that has lasted about 7 years but it has formed sagging where we lay and is also fast losing support where I sit even with rotation and flipping so it is time for a new one. I was thinking one of those "sleep number" ones and just make it really firm when sitting during the day and then changing it softer to sleep at night, but I don't know if people like them or not and how durable they are. Please recommend specific brands that you think would be the best for my situation.

Thanks for all the help in advice in advance!


Re: preventing sagging from sitting up in bed
Reply #5 Jan 1, 2011 4:54 PM
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There are really 3 types of foam and any mattress you are likely to look at will have one of the three. These are polyfoam (made from various chemicals), memory foam (a type of polyfoam that is a "slow recovery" type of foam. Tempurpedic is an example of this but there are many others), and latex foam (rubber foam made from the milk from a tree, a synthetic rubber compound, or a blend of the two).

Of these 3, the rubber (called latex when it is a foam) is the most durable and can easily outlast an innerspring. This is not the case with the other 2. Latex is a more expensive foam so the "S" companies don't like to use it as it cuts into their profits and when they do they charge way too much for it and will often use a worse quality of rubber. They don't usually even use the best polyfoam that is available. Smaller manufacturers don't have as big a supply chain or work with the same expenses or profit level (which are huge in many cases) and will often sell "factory direct" either through their own factory or through retail outlets. They tend to use higher quality materials and will usually produce a much higher quality mattress for substantially less. There are several hundred of these around the US. Some are local, some are more regional, and some are even available nationally.

In terms of having an adjustable bed, this would be a personal choice. We bought one because my other half really wanted one as she likes to mark papers and do her work sitting on the bed. I tend more to your point of view (questioned it's value and the extra expense) but it was a "discussion" I lost (laughing). Having said that once we decided to go in that direction I did do some research into them and the Reverie seemed to have the best value. I bought mine online as there is a wide variance in pricing for exactly the same thing. I personally would have preferred an adjustable slatted foundation that just lays flat but can adjust the "firmness" of the foundation in various areas to help with posture alignment (firms up the hips or softens the shoulders).

Firm is really a relative thing as what some people call firm others call soft and everyone has their own scale. Much of the "firmness" you will feel comes from the support layers (firmer foam or innerspring) and some will come from the comfort layers (upper 3" or so). These upper 3" need to be soft enough ... even with a firm mattress ... to accomodate side sleeping. Here is an example of a "firm" mattress, made by a "higher end" subsidiary of Sealy, that has 3" of "junk" super soft poly foam and another 1" of "so so" polyfoam and some synthetic lofted quilting fiber on top of that and yet it still feels firm to most people (this is a 3.5 on a scale of 1-10 with lower being firmer so about the same as your 7). So this mattress has about 4" of "bad foam" and another inch or so of lofted fiber for a total of 5" of "bad stuff" that will likely form impressions even with normal use in a relatively short period of time. Even the absolute firmest mattresses made by these companies and feel like "sleeping on the floor" to most people will have around 2" of poor quality soft foam over the innerspring. It feels firm because you are feeling the firm innerspring or the insulator pad above it. The top of a mattress is the most important part to have high quality durable foam and yet they rarely if ever do.

You will also notice that their selling price ($1619 queen size if you add it to the cart) is less than 50% of the regular price. This is the "normal" selling price for most "S" mattresses and they have "fake" sales all year long to encourage people to believe that they are getting a good deal and create a false sense of urgency so they will buy before leaving the store. Better mattress outlets or factory direct outlets rarely have sales and any time of the year is usually as good as any another. When they do it is usually for a much smaller discount and for a "real" reason.

Kansas City doesn't have a lot of mattress outlets and seems to be dominated by Mattress Firm (which has nothing I would even look at based on their website) however there are a few that I would go and see. Regional Manufacturer. Services retail outlets throughout the midwest. Makes all latex and latex over springs. Worth calling or emailing to see it they have a retail outlet near you (besides the one listed below that I know of) Regional Manufacurer. Has latex mattresses in their lineup. Local Manufacturer. Has latex mattresses in their lineup Retailer. Carries Savvy Rest mattresses which are an all latex mattress which you can try and choose your own layering. Savvy rest tends to be very expensive and there are lower cost outlets where you can get a mattress like this and "duplicate" their mattress but they make a good testing ground for various different combinations of latex layers. Retailer. Carry Justice (see above) and Restonic (a national brand) both of which make latex mattresses. Be a little careful here and make sure you ask specifically if the mattress you are testing out has ANY polyfoam in the comfort layers. Ask this specifically and if it has more than an inch (preferably none) then I would rule it out as it will likely develop impressions and you would be feeling what polyfoam feels like as much as what latex feels like.
Take your time and don't feel "pressured" because you think you may be missing a great sale somewhere. Almost certainly you won't.
This message was modified Jan 1, 2011 by Phoenix
Re: preventing sagging from sitting up in bed
Reply #6 Nov 9, 2015 5:20 PM
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Hello,<br>I was so impressed with Phoenix's responses and explanations to Suzy's inquiries, I wanted to jump in to the same issue. I have some pancreatic/liver conditions that dictate sitting up in bed for Sleeping, TV, Writing, the only alternative. Phoenix made it clear that Latex was the chosen alternative. He went on to explain that recommended smaller manufacturers were available to contact depending on one's locale. I am in Oakland, California specifically and generally in the Bay area in California. Can you provide me with some recommended manufacturers/stores/outlets in my area? As well, if you have any specific bed recommendations, my ears are wide open. I'm 6' tall, 190 lbs. and creaking in at 69 years. I'm considering a full sized bed but am open to smaller or larger if necessary.<br>Thanks for your helpful site and advice!<br>Craig
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