Mattress Forum

I wasn't trying to be rude to Sean, I was just trying to make a point. I apologize if it came across that way.

Catherine wrote:

This is very much a possibility. Once again, though, there is only one way to find out.

Catherine wrote:

I'm not trying to sell flobeds, as there is nothing special about their product. LI foam inside a nice cotton/wool encasement. What they do well is their business model of allowing 100 day guarantee, and very affordable core swaps. I do believe LI latex foam + their nice cover will make a top end all latex mattress. If this works, then great!

To be perfectly honest, I'd just build my own latex bed if I knew for sure a latex bed works for me and what core ILDs I need. I do not, hence my willing to pay the premium price for a flobed.

Catherine wrote:

The current line of Pranasleeps (4th Generation) available at Citymattress do not incorporate any poly foam. If you have a citymattress nearby, I'd recommend trying out a few. You are correct in the fact that they do not list their ILD specs online. They do however mention that they all use 100% natural latex except for their Om Shanti model which uses blended latex. The salesman I spoke to also showed me paperwork stating their foam is from LI. Trying these out still only gives you an idea of what latex is capable of, as they only have a few firmness models.

I'm certainly not trying to steer you to latex, I'd just hate to see you buy another $500+ matttress, perform surgery on it, possibly trying a different latex topper or two (other than the ones you already have), and still not get it right.
 

I understand what you're getting at, and I appreciate the concern; thanks for clarifying.

And you're right -- I'd have to try a real mattress, rather than trying to approximate one with a stack of various 1" and 2" toppers, to find out for sure one way or the other -- I'm just not sure I want to do that right now, given the poor results of the experimenting I've done so far.

Of course, I'm not sure of anything right now where mattresses are concerned. Well, other than that the entire industry needs a massive overhaul.

I'd love to avoid doing another mattress surgery, considering that this one turned out so poorly. (I think it might have worked fine if the springs had been better/stronger, but who knows?)

It just doesn't seem like there are a lot of good options unless I want to double or triple my general price range -- and it's probably not worth spending oodles more for a high-end full-size mattress, resting on a frame that I'd like to replace eventually but not just yet. (Prices for queen-size mattresses don't generally seem much higher than those for full-size, and you get more options, like split foundations with adjustable slats.)

Um... I think that's a long way of saying that for now, I just want something I can get by with for a while, using some of the stuff I have now.

(I actually slept OK last night but I'm still really tired... some of that fatigue has to be residual from the lack of decent sleep the night before.)

Amen!

LOL calm down bro, he was just making a suggestion, not guaranteeing that any particular solution will work for anyone.  Just noting for those who've been following along that I also made that suggestion several dozens of posts back, because latex over springs has been my go-to setup for a couple of years now. A few inches of memory foam over springs is nice too though, even if it doesn't hold up as long.  Either way, ultimately I've found there's no substitute for springs through solid foam alone, as some have.

What ever came of the mattress your friend was trying to dump? If that or something like it doesn't come through soon for further experimentation, just start trying some ready out of the box stuff from retailers that offer 100% no risk returns.  For instance all of the mattresses at samsclub that are listed as having free shipping (well, shipping included)- if it doesn't work out, they come pick it up & you don't pay anything either way. All of your money back. Then the ones where shipping is extra, that's all you lose  when they pick it up, the amount of shipping, one way.  Same with costco, & maybe some of your smaller retailers in your area too. Because there's only a finite number of possible combinations one can stack the layers you're working with- don't lose too much more sleep spinning your wheels.

Nah, you're misinterpreting the tone there; read the next couple of posts, and you'll see.

Haven't seen my friend's mattress yet; she's still quite ill (we haven't even been able to exchange Christmas gifts yet). We try to make plans, but the plans change; that's just the way it is.

No Costco in my area. Sam's Club mattresses appear to be all Sertas (all that are listed online). Already forgot what's at BJ's, but nothing stood out.

If/when I get the time & energy, I'll take a look at department stores and mattress retailers. Might be a while, though; I'm working a lot.

Did some mattress shopping on Saturday, but nothing knocked my socks off.   Tried various memory-foam mattresses; hated them.   Found the continuous-coil Sertas to be quite uncomfortable (hard on the shoulders).   Didn't find anything really comfortable at Jamestown Mattress.   Nor at City Mattress -- although I didn't spend much time on any given mattress there, and had a salesman talking at me the whole time I was there.  He seemed a bit sad about the decline of Stearns & Foster (after it got bought by Sealy's) and of Sealy's (after it got bought by a private equity firm). He seemed to think that Simmons mattresses are still built OK. (And he thinks Stearns & Foster are still the best, but are not what they used to be.) 

I might have to go to a different City Mattress store and spend some time on the PranaSleep latex mattresses (without someone talking at me) to see how those feel.

As far as coils go, I didn't like the continuous-coil mattresses I tried, so I'm still thinking that pocket coils might be supportive enough if they're around 13 gauge (not the 15-gauge lightweight ones); or maybe offset coils would work in a low gauge (Original Mattress Factory's Orthopedic line uses 12.75-gauge knotted offset coils).  I don't think I want to drive 4.5 to 5 hours to an Original Mattress Factory store, though.

Might have to get some high-density poly foam from FBM after all.... (Or maybe not, since I read a few posts here saying that the PU foam had a horrible smell -- presumably, the lovely petrochemical offgassing.)

I confess that I am still wondering if I could latex zoning right, if I had a couple inches of 20-22 ILD Talalay to work with. Argh.

i remember reading a bunch of this thread back in the days when I was active here. Sorry you are struggling so. Re your zoning issue, have you tried laying fabric or cardboard or anything under the latex where you want more support? Even a towel makes a pretty big difference. Although so far I haven't found anything "magic" this way...

Thanks for your comments in the other thread. Good luck!

Steve

Right now, I'm using a 5mm yoga mat, 2" down in the stack, and a piece of luan 3" below that (both going across the middle third of the bed, for the hip area). They might be helping, but I'm not there yet.

I'm adding one more piece of luan, in the same spot as the first piece; we'll see if that helps any or just makes pressure points worse.

I hate to say it, but I'm thinking about buying an S-brand mattress: a firm Sealy Posturepedic with the DSi pocket coils. Has a 560 coil count for a queen; don't know the count for a full size; don't know the gauge. Seems like a low coil count, actually, but hard to tell without knowing the gauge. The top panel uses some sort of stretchy knit fabric. [Edited to add: The Simmons Beautyrest Classic firm pocket-coil mattresses have 617 coils in a full-size mattress, with 13-gauge coils. So that makes the coil count for this Sealy seem really low -- maybe even ridiculously low -- even if the coils are a low gauge. Hmmm....]

Sale price for that Sealy (the stores are all having President's Day sales this weekend) was $650 for the set; $539 for just the full-size mattress (or $499 online). The mattress did feel substantial, and was among the least-padded ones there (11" height). For that price, if the mattress lasted a couple of years, it might be worth it. It has a foam encasement around the coils, so I'd think that would hold the thing together if I had to do surgery on it.

The salesman at the furniture store was useless -- said he'd check on specs for me but then came back without them... twice. (Youngish guy; probably new at sales; not very confident.) There's a 30-day comfort exchange; the salesman said he thinks returns are allowed, but he didn't sound very sure, so I'd have to check on that.

I'd like to try the Sealys with the interlocked coils, but so far, I haven't seen any of them here. The furniture store I was in doesn't carry them; City Mattress doesn't seem to carry them (they have mostly Simmons & Prana). Forgot to check Sears while I was at the mall today. The Macys stores in my town don't carry mattresses at all, as far as I know.

Didn't like a single Serta mattress; Serta's VertiCoil continuous-coil mattresses are incredibly bouncy.

Tried a variety of memory foam mattresses just to see if I could give them a fair chance. Which I did. But I still don't like them. I know that slpngoc loves his Tempurpedic Cloud, but I just can't get used to those things. I'm a lightweight, and those memory foam mattresses still feel like they're grabbing me and not letting go; yech.

Tried the various Prana latex mattresses at City Mattress, and didn't really like the feel of them -- but that might be because they have thick, quilted & sort-of-tufted tops: very uneven.

I'll have to venture out again sometime soon and have another go at this.

I don't like the idea of buying an S-brand, but there aren't many options if I want coils and want to buy locally. I don't like the 14.5 gauge LuraFlex offset coils at Jamestown Mattress (they're the ones that gave out on me). Not sure I trust the 15 and 15.5 gauge pocket coils there, either (seem too light weight), but the heavier gauge (15) is used in the center third, which is where I'd need it, and the full size has 713 coils, so I dunno... maybe that would be OK. (The other spring mattresses there use VertiCoil or Bonnell springs, and they're both too bouncy.)

Here's something weird: try finding anything about the DSi coils on Sealy's website -- and good luck with that. Their in-store marketing materials make a big deal out of these coils, but I could not find a single reference to the DSi pocket coils on sealy.com. Yeah, that inspires confidence.... Not. If I want pocket coils, maybe I'll go with Simmons or Jamestown.

I've come to my senses, at least partially, and ruled out the Sealy I was considering yesterday (a firm Posturepedic with the DSi pocket coils). The coil count seems way too low for the mattress to hold up for any reasonable length of time.

Today, someone at a different branch of the furniture store I visited yesterday tried to find specs for me, and it appears that Sealy doesn't publish them even for their retailers (not for the DSi coils anyway). That can't be a good sign. And the in-store marketing materials from Sealy describe their "power-packed" "CoreSupport system" as having a 1" layer of memory foam and a 2" layer of Supersoft Sealyfoam.  Um... not my idea of support.

I did like some of the firmer Simmons mattresses, including an extra firm Beautyrest Elite that is similar to this one at us-mattress.com (13 gauge "Smart Response" pocket coils, 726 coils for full size [900 queen]). For an extra firm, this mattress still had a surprising amount of give, and would probably be fine with my toppers.

The one at this local store has a sale price of about $1240 (around $1330 with tax). The comparable one at us-mattress.com, with a Presidents Day sale price of $974, is still several hundred bucks more than I'd like to spend right now, on a mattress that might get turned into a guest bed in a year or so if I can ever get my act together and move house.

Also went to another Jamestown Mattress store and tried out the pocket-coil mattress they call "ultra firm" ($739 for a full-size set). It was sort of OK. I think I like the 13-gauge ones (Simmons) better.

This store had 5- or 6-inch square blocks of Dunlop from Latex Green, labeled D75, D85, and D95, sitting out for people to see; that was quite useful. I had wondered if the 16-18 ILD Dunlop (D75) would be OK for a top layer for me, and I think now that it would not be; pretty sure my shoulders would get crunched. The D95 stuff (36-38 ILD) is seriously firm. That'd make one heck of a core for anyone wanting a firm latex mattress.

Anyway... no mattress purchase yet. Gonna have to think about how much I'm willing to spend. There's quite a price difference between the Beautyrest Classic lines (regular pocket coils) and Beautyrest Elite lines ("Smart Response" 2-stage pocket coils). I could go with a Classic, like this one, for less dough and still get 13 gauge coils, and maybe that'd be fine for a while.

Some days I wake up really sore and think I must make a decision and buy a mattress very soon; other days, it's not so bad and I think I can make do for a while longer with my weird collection of latex foam.