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Re: Different kinds of springs and other info - jimsocal
Jan 31, 2010 7:10 PM
Jan 31, 2010 7:10 PM
Re: Different kinds of springs and other info - jimsocal
Jan 30, 2010 8:56 PM
Jan 30, 2010 8:56 PM
Re: Why is there infinite trouble selecting a mattress for person with low back pain? - jimsocal
Jan 30, 2010 9:14 AM
Jan 30, 2010 9:14 AM
Thanks for the explanation.
I agree that pocket coils are great - in theory. But my experience with Simmons about 15 years ago was that after only a year or so they began to kill me. And that was BEFORE I had such a bad back. At that time I had only a mildly bad back.
I then read that what happened with Simmons coils at that time was that they would come loose from each other because they were tied very delicately and so the springs would migrate and thus, back pain. I heard they changed their way of tying them and are better now, but that does not jibe with the tons of negative reviews you can find on the net re Simmons.
As I understand it my Englander has Bonnell coils of 12.5 gauge tempered steel but honestly I never got a definitive answer on that...
I agree that pocket coils are great - in theory. But my experience with Simmons about 15 years ago was that after only a year or so they began to kill me. And that was BEFORE I had such a bad back. At that time I had only a mildly bad back.

I then read that what happened with Simmons coils at that time was that they would come loose from each other because they were tied very delicately and so the springs would migrate and thus, back pain. I heard they changed their way of tying them and are better now, but that does not jibe with the tons of negative reviews you can find on the net re Simmons.
As I understand it my Englander has Bonnell coils of 12.5 gauge tempered steel but honestly I never got a definitive answer on that...
Re: Different kinds of springs and other info - Leo3
Feb 1, 2010 6:55 PM
Feb 1, 2010 6:55 PM
That was fun! Did you see the one with straw and a girl in a skimpy outfit? That looked ancient!!! I wish I could see a darn Spring Air! It looked like they were all Bonnell springs, except the Simmons of course, the all foam one and the silly air mattress pump. They sure didn't use much foam, those must be old oldies huh?...
Re: Different kinds of springs and other info - Leo3
Jan 31, 2010 6:51 PM
Jan 31, 2010 6:51 PM
Thanks for the info. I thought you were too young to know, guess I was wrong. But Spring Air was popular in the US here. I thought they didn't start changing hands until 5 years ago. They were changing hands before that???
I knew Simmons had the wrapped kind, at least when I went looking you can feel the difference on those mattresses. I never thought those wuld hold up in the long run. Do they? Doesn't matter now though Simmons is gone, but maybe someone will revive them....
I knew Simmons had the wrapped kind, at least when I went looking you can feel the difference on those mattresses. I never thought those wuld hold up in the long run. Do they? Doesn't matter now though Simmons is gone, but maybe someone will revive them....
Re: Different kinds of springs and other info - Leo3
Jan 31, 2010 5:50 PM
Jan 31, 2010 5:50 PM
Thanks Budgy, so are you saying Spring Air USE to use Bonnell coils? I guess it doesn't matter, but I am so darn curious now. What was common for the S manufacturers 15 years ago? I believe Simmons used the wrapped coils, Marshal coils I believe. But then I see it could be hinged springs. Do you know what they used back then? You are probably too young LOL, to know....
Re: Different kinds of springs and other info - Leo3
Jan 31, 2010 11:54 AM
Jan 31, 2010 11:54 AM
I have to say after further research I found Simmons filed chapter 11, and than I find an article they have new mattress line. I read they have kept changing hands over the years. I have read that about Spring Air too. So are their any mattress S companies that have not filed chapter 7 or 11 or whatever? Are any of them really the original owners? I doubt that. Why does this never make the news? I have stopped watching the news because it really isn't news....
Re: Different kinds of springs and other info - budgy
Feb 1, 2010 12:57 PM
There are a lot of rumours about what will happen with Serta and Simmons these days. I don't think they are going to vanish just yet. With regards to their pocket coils, they actually used to hold up exceptionally well. If a pocket coil is well made it is in theory maybe even more durable than other spring...
Feb 1, 2010 12:57 PM
There are a lot of rumours about what will happen with Serta and Simmons these days. I don't think they are going to vanish just yet. With regards to their pocket coils, they actually used to hold up exceptionally well. If a pocket coil is well made it is in theory maybe even more durable than other spring...
Re: Different kinds of springs and other info - budgy
Jan 31, 2010 6:15 PM
Jan 31, 2010 6:15 PM
Simmons Beautyrest for a very long time has only been independent pocket coils. In Beautysleep (not sure if that line existed in the US, its also done now as far as I know) was Bonnell coils for a long time, and they also did some continuous springs in their lowest end models.
Sealy Posturepedic was a double offset coil since the 50's and more recently triple offsets, and some other small variations have come and gone, newest Posturepedics (last couple of years) could be offset or pocket coil.
Spring Air....I honestly don't know. That company to me is a little bit more of an unknown because they have changed ownership so many times and in my region they have never been all that popular. So I couldn't tell you what they used back in the day. Nowadays they use a lot of continuous springs in the lowest end product, bonnell...
Sealy Posturepedic was a double offset coil since the 50's and more recently triple offsets, and some other small variations have come and gone, newest Posturepedics (last couple of years) could be offset or pocket coil.
Spring Air....I honestly don't know. That company to me is a little bit more of an unknown because they have changed ownership so many times and in my region they have never been all that popular. So I couldn't tell you what they used back in the day. Nowadays they use a lot of continuous springs in the lowest end product, bonnell...
Re: Different kinds of springs and other info - budgy
Jan 30, 2010 7:28 PM
Jan 30, 2010 7:28 PM
"Budgy, can you comment on how and when this happened?"
In my opinion the major companies are actually in a heap of trouble and I think it is primarily because this has happened. Industry content warning, rest of this post will be more about business. The value of the major S brand companies is in a major downward spiral recently. This is partially due to the recession. But in reality this is a cop out, Simmons was the first company to go to non-flip mattresses...initially it was done only on their 'high end' mattresses. Of course in reality this was marketed as a new special technology and was done to reduce motion transfer and magically you never had to flip your mattress anymore, although if it really cost any more money to build a mattress this way why on Earth would it eventually trickle down to even the most...
In my opinion the major companies are actually in a heap of trouble and I think it is primarily because this has happened. Industry content warning, rest of this post will be more about business. The value of the major S brand companies is in a major downward spiral recently. This is partially due to the recession. But in reality this is a cop out, Simmons was the first company to go to non-flip mattresses...initially it was done only on their 'high end' mattresses. Of course in reality this was marketed as a new special technology and was done to reduce motion transfer and magically you never had to flip your mattress anymore, although if it really cost any more money to build a mattress this way why on Earth would it eventually trickle down to even the most...