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Re: want to build my own bed. where can I buy a coil system in a box? - jimsocal
May 24, 2010 11:27 AM
olenska wrote:

update on coil systems. spoke to Legget and Platt on the phone. asked if they could sell me an offset coil system in 12 1/2 or 12/3/4. said they could not do it, but recommended gold bond top of the line called Premier series, which has a good box in the 9 1/2 range and a 12 2/4 gauge offset coil system. tons of PU foam, however. also King Koil makes a series called Extended Life intended for heavier weight folks with a coil system of that gauge. some of the Sealy's are also 12 3/4, but only 338 coils for a full. All of these will run 1200 to 1500 new and all are stacked with bad foam, some with one inch of latex. for that price one can buy a handmade Beckley in a full size, so unless I can find one...
Re: Inner Spring vs Pocket Coil - jimsocal
May 20, 2010 12:57 PM
budgy wrote:

I really don't think that was ever a common problem with Simmons....but they have actually gone down hill now that they are using polyester fabric shells just like everyone else.  The old Simmons coils used to actually move independently....very few pocketcoils really seem to do this as advertised with the really tight polyester pockets.  Even though out of the major brands I am a bit of a Simmons fan (or used to be) I would think pretty much everything these days is on an even playing field....just don't buy anything foam encased for a DIY build.  And stay away from most overseas coils like Serta's pocket springs are unbelievably light and cheap. 


Thanks Budgy, that's a good point to remember about not using anything foam encased. I assume you mean foam around the edges of the bed?

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Re: Inner Spring vs Pocket Coil - jimsocal
May 19, 2010 10:19 AM
budgy wrote:

Personally I think pocket coils get a bad rep some times because there are a lot of cheaper ones coming in over seas these days, and 99% of mattresses out there that use a pocketed spring also use a copious amount of standard PU foam over top of them.  As always if you eliminate the major source of the problem (cheaper foams) I think either one of these mattresses will be reliable. 

One thing with coils to keep in mind is that the hardness of a coil has absolutely no reflection on the durability of the spring.  If I had the full specs of each coil (actually all i need is spring count (and what size of mattress that count is based on) coil gauge, and the number of turns of wire in each spring) I can get you the...

Re: Mattress Surgery Help? - jimsocal
May 17, 2010 12:35 AM
jasesun23 wrote:

Thank you for your help. I'm going to get a piece of 1/2 inch LUX HQ as that is the thinest HR foam that FBM sells. I still have the very thin sheet of abbrasive resistant fabric that was orignal  over the springs to protect the piece of foam I am going . Any other recomendations besides "coconut coir or rubberized coconut coir" to place on the bottom side of the springs. I'm would like to put my allergy encasement back on but definitly don't want to rip it. In retrospect I should of only removed the top of the mattress but too late to think about that.


Sealy uses a 1/4" or so of memory foam over the springs on some beds.

I am currently using a 1/2" of memory foam on top of my Bonnell...

Re: want to build my own bed. where can I buy a coil system in a box? - sandman
May 17, 2010 8:09 AM
olenska wrote:

thanks. helpful info. I will look into the sealy. seem to remember budgy posting that latex needs a pocket coil system, maybe not. my back likes 12 1/2 gauge over 9 1/2 box springs, just not sure that works under latex. I did locate carded wool. I have a closet full of cotton comforters and can use some of those as well with the wool on top. also in touch with a farm that sells horse mane hair. will report when I get further into the process. 

 

checked on sealy. all mattresses are 14 gauge. may not be firm enough for my  needs. 


You also have to consider the number of coils and whether they are interlaced on individual pocketed.  I have a Sealy with 14 gauge, but there...

Re: Inner Spring vs Pocket Coil - budgy
May 20, 2010 2:29 PM
LOL well I guess we could sort of say that.  I really think this idea that the coils migrate is more a myth. Pocket coils flex more than most standard springs as they are not reinforced by helical wires, so the foam itself flexes more than it does on a normal spring....this might somewhat contribute to more severe body indentations which does seem to happen.  I guess my skepticism is just that none of these people probably ever looked on the inside of the mattress after it 'failed'.  I have cut open a few warrantied Simmons mattresses.  I would even cut the springs out of the pockets where the major indentations in the mattress were located, I would measure the height of the coil inside and outside of the pocket (they were precompressed before being placed in the pockets) so it was a pretty good way to measure empirically if...
Re: Inner Spring vs Pocket Coil - budgy
May 19, 2010 1:13 PM
I really don't think that was ever a common problem with Simmons....but they have actually gone down hill now that they are using polyester fabric shells just like everyone else.  The old Simmons coils used to actually move independently....very few pocketcoils really seem to do this as advertised with the really tight polyester pockets.  Even though out of the major brands I am a bit of a Simmons fan (or used to be) I would think pretty much everything these days is on an even playing field....just don't buy anything foam encased for a DIY build.  And stay away from most overseas coils like Serta's pocket springs are unbelievably light and cheap. 

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Re: Inner Spring vs Pocket Coil - budgy
May 19, 2010 1:13 PM
I really don't think that was ever a common problem with Simmons....but they have actually gone down hill now that they are using polyester fabric shells just like everyone else.  The old Simmons coils used to actually move independently....very few pocketcoils really seem to do this as advertised with the really tight polyester pockets.  Even though out of the major brands I am a bit of a Simmons fan (or used to be) I would think pretty much everything these days is on an even playing field....just don't buy anything foam encased for a DIY build.  And stay away from most overseas coils like Serta's pocket springs are unbelievably light and cheap. 

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Re: Mattress Surgery Help? - budgy
May 17, 2010 1:06 PM
jimsocal wrote:


Sealy uses a 1/4" or so of memory foam over the springs on some beds.

I am currently using a 1/2" of memory foam on top of my Bonnell coils to soften them a bit and to not ruin the latex on top of them.

Even with Bonnell coils, 2" can be enough for some people. Depends on your weight and so on. I'm using the 1/2" of memory foam, then 3/4" of latex and then .9" of latex and then a 2" wool topper that compresses down to about 1/2". So that's all in all, a padding of less than 2 and 1/4" of foam and then the wool on top of that, and the 1/2" of memory foam probably can count as about 1/4" as it compresses...

Re: want to build my own bed. where can I buy a coil system in a box? - olenska
May 17, 2010 9:33 AM
have heard that about simmons. wondering if they corrected the problem, as their pocket coils are comfortable. do not want to buy it if they slip, however. company has been sold, so possible they have corrected it?

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