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Re: Inner Spring vs Pocket Coil - jimsocal
May 27, 2010 5:23 PM
budgy wrote:

LOL well I guess we could sort of say that.  I really think this idea that the coils migrate is more a myth. Pocket coils flex more than most standard springs as they are not reinforced by helical wires, so the foam itself flexes more than it does on a normal spring....this might somewhat contribute to more severe body indentations which does seem to happen.  I guess my skepticism is just that none of these people probably ever looked on the inside of the mattress after it 'failed'.  I have cut open a few warrantied Simmons mattresses.  I would even cut the springs out of the pockets where the major indentations in the mattress were located, I would measure the height of the coil inside and outside of the pocket (they were precompressed before being placed in the pockets) so it was a pretty...
Re: Sealy Latex or Simmons Black - jimsocal
May 26, 2010 11:06 AM
Mike22 wrote:

Thank you very much for the response. The Olivia Plush/Firm uses alternating rows of 13.75 gauge coils and braided 17 gauge coils from what I have been told. The salesman at one of the "more" trustworthy shops says that the Black line uses upholstery grade foam for cushioning layers. It is listed as visco memory foam and transflexion foam, not sure what that consists of. From what I understand pretty much every mattress made uses some polyurethane foam. It seems to me then that it would depend on the quality of the foam, which unless someone were in the industry it would be pretty hard to know. I like the idea of the Springfree latex, but I am getting a little turned off by some of the reviews I have read and by the fact that they use dunlop latex instead of talalay.
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Questions re platform for latex, springs under latex, etc. - please give your opinions - jimsocal
May 24, 2010 12:09 PM
Okay, my mattress is just not working out for me and I'm re-thinking it all. My recent trip to my sister's home where I slept on a "regular" mattress for 2 nights and woke up with NO back pain, is making me realize I need to make changes. (I discount the theory that it was better just because I was "on vacation" because actually it was a stressful situation.)

I'm going "back to basics", trying to think outside the box springs.( I know - bad pun.cheeky) Especially those of you who have had or do have springs under your latex, please opine:

1) What is the best platform for a latex+springs mattress in your opinions?

Currently I am using a Sealy box springs (about 8 years old I think) which is made with some more-or-less heavy gauge wire on...

Re: Sealy Latex or Simmons Black - budgy
May 25, 2010 9:22 PM
theres nothing wrong with Dunlop latex so long as it is actually natural.  there are beds out there that do not use PU foam at all, just that simmons and sealy do not make them anymore.  honestly between the two I don't think one is going to significantly outperform the other in terms of support or longevity.  So if you have decided already that it is between one of the two, go with what you feel is the most comfortable. 

If you are still open to some other suggestions, you might want to look at other latex mattresses not made by Sealy...I think you will find in the end that they simply are not competitive in that arena, especially in terms of the quality.

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Re: Sealy Latex or Simmons Black - budgy
May 24, 2010 10:23 PM
Latex is not necessarily more reliable than steel springs.  The issue with most spring mattresses is really what they put on top of the springs....quite honestly because you had a pillowtop mattress im not surprised that it changed dramatically within 6 months.  I am trying to find some more detailed specs on the Olivia mattress, it is a tight top which means less upholstery although I know they still use standard polyurethane foam in the mattress which is exactly what breaks down the quickest in all mattresses that use this material.  Sadly Sealy Spring Free mattresses often use a fair bit of polyurethane as well.  I think you really need to look at the detailed specs on each bed to determine which one has the least amount of polyurethane foam in it, because that is likely going to be the more durable of the two.  In the end you might...
Re: want to build my own bed. where can I buy a coil system in a box? - olenska
May 24, 2010 2:52 PM
Cotton felt and cotton batting are not the same thing. cotton felt is used in upholstery. looks to be about 1/2 inch thick. In the cutaway I saw for the Shifmans, they used 8 to ten inches thick of cotton felt. a whole lot. the comfort layer - dacron, wool, latex combination - was on top of that. Cotton felt is sold in rolls. I saw it on ebay but you could buy it from anyplace that sells upholstery materials or from a shop that does it. as for the coils, you remember correctly. I read the same threads. I just looked at a 5 year old simmons. coils were worthless.had been "firm" but felt like mush. I also looked at a 10 year old handmade  shifman. coils in both the mattress and box were shot. had originally been an extra firm and now bounced like a trampoline. coils in...
Synthetic latex vs. Polyurethane foam - Mike22
May 31, 2010 4:06 PM
I am still searching for the right bed and have narrowed it down to a few a like. It seems like the best option would be one of the online choices of latex mattresses, but I am a little hesitant to buy without being able to lay on them. One of the mattresses I found is a Sealy Springfree Beachside and has a synthetic latex core, the other is a Lotus Asana plush made by PranaSleep and that one has a poly core with two inches of latex on top . My question is, since they are both made from chemicals will there be much of a difference in durability or is the synthetic latex still better. I am still considering a Simmons Black coil mattress, but would really like to give foam a try. Let me know what your thoughts are. Thanks.

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Re: Sealy Latex or Simmons Black - Mike22
May 25, 2010 5:10 PM
Thank you very much for the response. The Olivia Plush/Firm uses alternating rows of 13.75 gauge coils and braided 17 gauge coils from what I have been told. The salesman at one of the "more" trustworthy shops says that the Black line uses upholstery grade foam for cushioning layers. It is listed as visco memory foam and transflexion foam, not sure what that consists of. From what I understand pretty much every mattress made uses some polyurethane foam. It seems to me then that it would depend on the quality of the foam, which unless someone were in the industry it would be pretty hard to know. I like the idea of the Springfree latex, but I am getting a little turned off by some of the reviews I have read and by the fact that they use dunlop latex instead of talalay.
 

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Sealy Latex or Simmons Black - Mike22
May 24, 2010 4:11 PM
I've been shopping around for a bed now for quite a while. I ended up buying a pillowtop mattress about 6 months ago that I find to be way too soft now. It just doesn't provide my back the support I am looking for unfortunately. So I have narrowed down my selection to the Sealy Springfree Plush model and the Simmons Beautyrest Black Olivia Plush/Firm model. In the back of my mind I am also considering the Simmons Black Josephine Firm. Problem is that I like the feel of all these with the first two being my favorites, but I don't know how they will feel over a period of time and I don't know which will theoretically be more reliable. I've heard that latex is typically more reliable than coil mattresses, however the Sealy I believe uses a synthetic form which is not supposed to last as long as...
Re: What is the closest latex bed to a Flobed product, something I could - shaggy
Jun 2, 2010 3:19 AM
thanks, I did check their website

But still looking to see if there is a comparable quality latex bed that I can view locally by Simmons/Serta/Sealy, etc.  Anyone know?

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