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Re: Surgery On Simmons Danny Seo Latex? - sandman
Sep 3, 2010 11:45 AM
It is pretty hard to fix a soft mattress with a topper, because they will still sink into the mattress.   I am not aware of anyone successully fixing it that way, but I would think you would need firm latex, maybe around 32-36 ILD.  Probably 1-2". 

I think that the plywood might make it too firm, since it would not flex much at all.  There is firm funiture grade foam (up to 70 ILD) that you could put under the 2".  Not sure if that would work either, but might give it some firmness.

Better would be to remove some foam that is too soft.  Do you know the exact construction of the mattress?  Is it one big block of foam or latex covered by a 2" piece of latex?  It is possible that the 2" piece is too soft, so maybe you could replace that with something...

Re: Stearns & Foster 'Luxury Firm' Too Soft (gah)! What are my Options? - sandman
Aug 30, 2010 8:50 AM
I tend to agree that a pocketed coil in theory can be better than the interlaced, because it can conform better to your body.  However, it does not seem like there is anyone on this forum that has one and is happy with it.  So, I can't really say if they will last over time.  There have been plenty of people unhappy with Simmons and S&F.  I think there was one recent poster that bought a S&F estate and was happy while it was new.  I don't think they updated their situation though.

 The main risk you face is that some where down the not too distant road the foam will start giving out and you will be unhappy.  I am not sure what is in...

Re: Stearns & Foster 'Luxury Firm' Too Soft (gah)! What are my Options? - shovel99
Aug 30, 2010 6:13 AM
Hi Gasoline.... love that handle!

Last night latest try - poly foams 1 inch soft- 1 inch hard.  was a disaster.... waaaaaayyyyy too hard. I got up at 4 am and started playing musical toppers.  I should disclaimer my advice as coming from Thomas Edison.... just before he discovered the electric light!  It was said that after his 10,000 failure, he was asked "you have failed 10,000 times... don't you think you should give up?"  He replied" I haven't failed 10,000 times, I am getting closer, because I have eliminated one more way it can't be done!"

At 4 AM I resorted to an earlier attempt that was OK:   1 inch of 4 lb eco friendly memory foam from overstock.com (laugh) which is pretty good mem foam for cheap, but laughable streaky green!  Under that was 1 inch of 20 ILD latex.  I have been experimenting...

One more opinion: 2" of latex slept reasonably cool and stable 4" was hot... and jellowy! - shovel99
Aug 29, 2010 1:35 PM
HI Folks.  Latest update on my saga of one 60 year old 170 lb fart seeks sleep on side, back and dealing with lower back pain.  For those that don't know the rest of the story:  20 mattresses actually bought swapped slept on, 100+ topper combos.   Can't stand Memory foam tempurpedic stuff because it is hot, I sink into it, it does not support my lower back with strain injury so I wake up in agonizing pain.

Latest try was 1 inch of 14 ILD latex from sleeplikebear.com on top, 1 inch of 20 ILD latex next from foambymail.com, and 2 inch latex which I believe to be at least 26 ILD which was supposed to be 20 ILD from foambymail.

I found that combo to sleep fairly well... only woke with minor back pain vs, my usual.  However, the 4 inches vs the 2 inches...

Re: Stearns & Foster 'Luxury Firm' Too Soft (gah)! What are my Options? - shovel99
Aug 29, 2010 8:54 AM
First you need to know that this website does not send you an email update when someone has commented... or at least I couldn't or didn't find it, so you have to check back.  Second, search the forum for other's experiences under "lower back pain" latex toppers, etc., below.

The good news is that you have come to the right place to try to find a solution, because a lot of us here have tried about everything.  The bad news you already know, how difficult it is to find a good mattress when the industry does everything to hide what is inside, and that it is a very personal choice based on needs, weight.. back or side, lumbar problems, etc.

Before I get lenthy, many folks have made a too hard bed perferct or acceptable with just one inch of latex topper.  In fact, not long...

Re: LONG TERM RECESSION - WHY ARE MATTRESS PRICES STILL SO HIGH? - budgy
Aug 31, 2010 6:05 PM
sandman wrote:

Budgy, it seems like there is not a lot of middle ground in the innerspring market.  You have the S brands that all use PU foam, even in their expensive ones (from what I can tell).  Then you have higher quality ones, Royal Pedic for example, but they seem to be out of most people's price range.   Is there nothing in between that uses high quality materials, but costs around $1,500-$2,500 (except maybe local makers) ?   Or is there no way to profitably make a quality name brand mattress at that price?


We are actually having the same basic trouble in our store. Which is that we have this enormous gap to fill between say $1500 in a queen and $2500.  All of the truly really good quality queen sets are starting at atleast $2500 in a queen (this is in Canada of...

Re: Flobeds - is there a best time to buy? - InsoManiac
Aug 30, 2010 1:28 PM
sandman wrote:

You may want to just call Flobeds and ask if they can give you the sale price(usually around $200 off?).  The economy is weak, so I am sure they wouldn't mind a new customer.


I haven't decided which way I want to go yet, whether to get a whole new latex mattress, or retrofit one of my innerspring models with either a talalay topper or through mattress surgery.

I have a Simmons Beautyrest Classic Plush Firm, only about 2.5 years old that has become too soft to tolerate any longer. Mine is a Hutson, but I believe it's exactly the same as the W Heavenly Bed. Anyway, I think the 5 inches or so of P/U foam has probably broken down in that short amount of time because it's really not like it was when new.  I also have a Mattress...

Re: Firm mattress / low Foam suggestions - TC2334
Aug 27, 2010 4:55 PM
Okay, so I went back and did some serious testing of the Imperials.  Unfortunately, Imperial is playing as many headgames as the other companies, with goofy model names and also not prominaintly marking theirs with the Imperial label.

Model 640  10" Tempercoil:   Has a layer of foam on the top.  Feels a little stiff, not hard or harsh, but definitely not plush.  I still think I might like this set with a foam topper added to soften it slightly, unless it breaks in with use.  The cover was kind of tan or gray & black, and patterened, not white like the online catalog shows.  It's a stretchy fabric.  Also not a quilted flat-top like the catalog shows.  That quilted foam layer on top is obvious to the eye.   Good very firm mattress.   They called it Temperpedic Absolute Pearl-Lux.   Price was $1100 or maybe $1199 for the set. 

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Re: Surgery On Simmons Danny Seo Latex? - Lovegasoline
Sep 3, 2010 1:17 PM
One suggestion, untested, is a rubberized coco- fiber mat layer. 

 

http://www.coco-mat.com/web/en/product/mattresses/atlas

I was looking at these mattresses in person (look through the website, they have many designs and versions, some where you can relocate the coco mat to a different level(s) in the mattress sandwich).

I read elsewhere (Bugsy?) that rubberized coco fiber mat is an ideal material for certain stiffening roles in bedding and upholstery, but it may be difficult to source. If it is so widely used, perhaps it can be sourced. 

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Surgery On Simmons Danny Seo Latex? - pbpme
Sep 3, 2010 10:19 AM
I read BillB's review the simmons Danny Seo.  Unfortunately we bought ours 2 years ago and cannot return it.  It is the Simmons New Hope Natural Care 'Latex'.  The mattress has become way too soft, and gives us severe back aches.  We hate to replace it so soon after a 2k$ investment.  So, after researching this site, I'm thinking of the cheapest way to "fix" the mattress.  One option is a topper.  I'm not sure what ILD to choose and what thickness for this option. 

Another option, is to cut the mattress open and insert a 1/4 inch plywood between the top layer and foundation layer.  I understand the top layer of latex is only 2" thick?  Is this possible?...

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