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Re: Simmons BackGuard - DianeK
Nov 17, 2010 9:01 AM
ZZZZ wrote:

It's a Serta Tranquility Nights, plush tight top, two-sided mattress. I remember getting a good night sleep myself when we stayed at a Hampton Inn last year. I don't know if it would last a long time but if anyone has any opinion on it, I'd like to hear it.

When I stayed at a Hampton Inn a couple of years ago, the first night was heaven and I thought I had found my bed.  It was a Serta with a thin pillowtop. Second night, not so great as I woke up with mild lower back pain in the a.m..  After the third night, when I couldn't touch my toes in the morning because my back was so stiff, I was glad we had stayed there three nights because I would have made an incorrect conclusion after only the first night.  Lesson to...

Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Nov 17, 2010 9:17 AM
Mattress comfort is so subjective and proper support can be so individual that it's a little risky to go with what someone else finds works for them. Are you able to get a refund and "start over" or are you limited to an exchange from the store you bought your mattress? Either way I would try to use your experiences so far to develop an idea of the kind of construction and some of the different qualities you would need in a mattress so you had a "plan of action" about what to do next.

Your experience last night is encouraging because it at least gives some real clues about the direction you may need to go.

Phoenix

I just reread my earlier post and just to be clear ... the idea was to have 2" of firmer foam from the foot of your...

Re: Adjustable Bed-Latex-OMI OrganicPedic-Flobeds - Phoenix
Nov 16, 2010 10:29 AM
I certainly understand your point. I have suspicions though that OMI's efforts towards being organic are more driven by a desire to capitalize on (mis)perception than they are on real organic manufacturing. I have no doubt that much of what they say is true and they even have an actual USDA organic mattress (not latex) ... but it's in the part that isn't true at all (I believe that some of what they say is completely false) and the price they charge for the perception they create that I have some "issues" with them. Having said all that, their mattresses are without a doubt very nice. Greensleep for example ... while still too expensive IMO ... are much closer to being organic than OMI in ways that really count as they really do control their own latex supply. I also understand that their latex could be qualitatively different from other...
Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Nov 14, 2010 7:52 PM
I should also add for the sake of completeness that this zoning scheme may have some value in certain circumstances. If a side sleeper was much lighter and had much wider hips than waist and liked a firm feeling mattress with thinner comfort layers (didn't like the feeling of sinking in), they may need a support system that allows their hips to sink in enough to create spinal alignment and allow a thinner comfort layer to distribute pressure better. I don't think from what you've posted that you "qualify" for this scenario :)

Phoenix

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Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Nov 14, 2010 7:33 PM
If I was in your shoes ... and bearing in mind that trying this won't fix the underlying issue ... I would try a firmer piece of foam under your hips of at least 2" and softer foam in your shoulder area. Both the latex you have and the egg crate would qualify as "soft". You could experiment with this by buying a firmer piece of 2" poly (would cost a lot less to experiment) and cutting it above your hips (around your belly button). This would help to "keep your hips up". Then you could use the eggcrate (either by itself if it is already 2" or doubled if it is 1") from the cut point to the top of your mattress. I wouldn't cut or use the latex at this point. What you would be doing in a way is using the comfort layers to do what the...
Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Nov 14, 2010 7:17 PM
Simmons seems to have it backwards...

Most of your body weight is in your lower torso area. Because of this your hips (on your side) or your rear end (on your back) will tend to sink in more because of that weight. Most zoned support systems (either coils or foam zoning) will usually put MORE support there to stop them from sinking in too far and putting your spine out of alignment. Simmons puts less support there so your hips or rear end would sink in more and the waist or lumbar area where the greater support is in this zoning scheme would be supporting more of your weight. This certainly isn't "normal" for most body weight distributions and even if your spine is in alignment this way, the small of your back (lumbar area) could be supporting too much weight. This is compounded by your weight and...

Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Nov 17, 2010 7:32 AM
Followed Pheonix advice last night and added a 2.5 inches piece of quality foam to add support in the middle of the bed. Change was immediate as I even had to change from a thin to a thicker pillow to be able to sleep on my side. I didn't change the setup for shoulders but I should have had since arms went numb all night long and my neck is a little sore. Lower back pain is still present, but has improved by at least 60% I'd say. We'll see if a second night of sleep continues on this trend. I'll try to find a thinner and softer foam for my shoulders. The bed now has a big hump on my side when nobody lies in it but surely enough, when I'm in it, it feels flat! I realize that this could only be a temporary solution.

A friend of mine who lives too far...

Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Nov 16, 2010 6:14 PM
I know the 250 is soft but yet, it was cutting the circulation in my arms after 5 minutes, every time. That's why I said it was both too soft and too hard at the same time, no give at all at the shoulders.

The BackGuard I got is a tight top, considered firm but not too firm.

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Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Nov 14, 2010 5:27 PM
Just played with it for two hours and no progress at all. I'm starting to think there's no point into pursuing to fix it and mattress surgery wouldn't change the fact that this mattress has two different gages of coils. It will never be even or comfortable. In retrospect, what a mistake I made... again! Everybody around me thinks I've gone bananas because it's been weeks I haven't got any real sleep and I eat Advil like candies all day long. "What? Not your mattress stories again!" 

Hell, there's been many rough nights where the pain takes all the place in your mind and all you can feel is despair. Being afraid to go to bed is a terrible feeling. Although I've wasted a lot of money so far and feel terrible and ashamed about it, it's not even a question of dollars anymore; it's about getting back to a normal life. Depriving a...

Re: Simmons BackGuard - MattressExpert
Nov 15, 2010 2:59 PM
ZZZZ wrote:

Hi. Got a Simmons BackGuard last week after returning an NXG 250 Firm which turned out to be both too soft and too hard at the same time (butt sank too much, back was pulling while shoulders were in pain and arms went numb). The BackGuard has zones (thinner coils under hips and shoulders and very firm for lumbar support) that I can distinguished with my ribs when I lay on my side after a minute or so (I weigh 250 lbs). Every morning, I wake up in pain (shoulders, ribs, back) so I'm looking for a topper but don't want to go overbaord to avoid making it too soft. Budget is limited so I'm leaning toward Foambymail latex topper. Don't know if I should go for 20 or 32 ILD. Any advice?

 

 

Also, does anybody know how bad...

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