Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Dec 3, 2010 3:36 PM
Great!
Don't forget too to resist the temptation to "fix" your mattress with any combination of these 3 layers. If it does that would be a surprising bonus. What we are looking for is to learn the effect of certain changes so we can better predict which type of additional layer would give us the greatest odds of working and where to put that layer.
Phoenix
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Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Dec 3, 2010 2:31 PM
Perfect. That was what I was hoping you would try in reply #59 but you ended up switching the bottom two layers on me instead in reply # 60 :). Now we have a reference point to compare this with from your experience with this configuration without the eggcrate. We are getting somewhere!
Just so you know as well ... the softness of this layer won't come from the eggcrate ... but from all 3 layers combined. If the bumps up causes you to sink too far into a deeper layer ... then it could actually feel harder. In another thread I mentioned that every change needs to take into account the effect on every layer. A softer thin layer on top can actually in some cases make a bed feel harder. While it's likely that the egg crate either way won't make much difference ... the belief...
Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Dec 3, 2010 11:41 AM
While it's probably a minor difference, putting the eggcrate flat side up might make a nothing soft layer into a soft layer. Partly because there is more material directly under you and partly because the flat side is less degraded. Minor difference but I'm trying to use what we have to play with in the best way possible. The idea for now is to learn enough with what you have to be able to predict what kind of topper should be purchased to make up a layering scheme that will come close to solving the problems. It's unlikely that any layering scheme with what you have will really work but we can hopefully get enough information from the material you have to both get an idea of the ILD's of the unknown layers and to make a much better prediction about what is still needed.
I'm glad you...
Re: The W Hotel Heavenly Bed - Phoenix
Dec 3, 2010 11:31 AM
This mattress would be essentially the same as this one
http://www.us-mattress.com/simmons-corita-pl.html except it has about an inch less of polyfoam.
So you have 1/2 inch of memory foam buried inside the mattress, and about 3" of soft polyfoam over the coils.
It is almost certain that like all soft polyfoam used by the major manufacturers in the top layers of their mattress, that it will begin to break down and lose it's qualities very quickly. The pillowtop version would be even worse. This will lead to depressions in the mattress and even worse the foam itself will lose the qualities that make it feel good in the beginnning. How quickly this will happen will depend on who uses it and how it's used but in the worst cases you are talking about months and otherwise a very few years. I would personally consider all...
Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Dec 2, 2010 6:52 PM
I'm assuming the eggcrate is softer material (lower ILD not just feeling softer because of the dimples and thickness) and i would put it dimple side down on the top. At this point I'm not looking for a solution as much as I am looking to see what certain changes do so that it is easier to figure out a solution.
As far as who would sleep on it ... probably someone who was lighter, likes a very firm feeling mattress (doesn't like the feeling of sinking in to a mattress), and doesn't sleep on their side (probably a stomach sleeper but possibly back).
Phoenix
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Re: Simmons BackGuard - Phoenix
Dec 2, 2010 6:16 PM
A "typical" amount and a rough guideline of the thickness of a "layer" that "makes a difference" by itself is 3". Less than that and a layer below will give more of the properties you are feeling. There are many variables here of course and this is only a guideline. In the case of greater weight, then usually 4" is considered a "rough guideline". This "layer" could be one or several thinner layers or materials. This is slightly different than the amount that will be over a "bare" innerspring since a layer is needed to insulate the foam or material from the springs and then the layering on top would depend on the type and quality of the springs as well. There are different types of constructions where in some cases you would use thinner layers when you want the innersprings to have more of an effect on the comfort...
Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Dec 3, 2010 2:47 PM
All right. We'll try it up one night, and upside down tomorrow.
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Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Dec 3, 2010 2:13 PM
Wife was complaining of hip pain so she decided to call the configuration tonight. It will be another type of experiment: Ikea topper (2 inches of poly in a cotton/poly cover) on the bottom, latex (one inch) in the middle and egg crate (one inch) on top, not upside down as she aims for maximum softness. We wrapped it all up in the mattress pad we have, which tightens it up a tad. I just tried it and it is softer indeed. I'll report on how it went tomorrow.
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Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Dec 3, 2010 3:01 AM
I went to bed before your reply last night so I didn't try egg crate. Didn't sleep very long but my back seems a little better still this morning so we're on the right track.
Egg crate flat side up? Why? To prevent it from sinking as much? I thought that putting it this way would firm things up....
Re: Simmons BackGuard - ZZZZ
Dec 2, 2010 6:46 PM
Where would you place it?
I wonder who could sleep on the mattress I have on its own. It would have to be someone really light?
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