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Re: Serta Pure Response vs Natura Solice: HELP! - jimsocal
Sep 29, 2009 4:19 PM
Sep 29, 2009 4:19 PM
arg0 wrote:
Hello, I have looked for reviews for these two latex mattresses, but haven't really found any. I am really hoping
somebody has an opinion. Before I give details, let me just mention that I cannot afford the pure organic mattress from Natura,
so I am aware that the Natura that I am looking at contains some chemicals. In particular, I am looking at the Ultra-Green Solice.
According to the Natura website, the Solice contains:
bed seemed very comfortable, but I am still concerned about it due to the S-brand reputation.
I know that there is some PU foam...
somebody has an opinion. Before I give details, let me just mention that I cannot afford the pure organic mattress from Natura,
so I am aware that the Natura that I am looking at contains some chemicals. In particular, I am looking at the Ultra-Green Solice.
According to the Natura website, the Solice contains:
- Non-removable plush top
- Bamboo/Cotton blend stretch ticking
- 18 oz./ yd² Natura Smart Wool in plush top
- 8" Talalay latex core
- All natural fire barrier
- 20 year warranty
bed seemed very comfortable, but I am still concerned about it due to the S-brand reputation.
I know that there is some PU foam...
Re: Serta Pure Response vs Natura Solice: HELP! - jimsocal
Sep 29, 2009 4:11 PM
Sep 29, 2009 4:11 PM
shollis13 wrote:
shollis, you have a right to your opinion, as we do, ours. Your analogy of S brands to American cars is way off base. As far as I know, when you buy a car the company freely discloses what motor it has, and in fact all the major aspects of the car are disclosed, unlike the...
Serta makes a great Latex product. Their products are all Talalay process beds which is the best in the industry. They have beds that have a soy based core or a Talalay core. The talalay core is the one you want and would last you for a long time. Feel great about that and dont listen to all the S brand stuff. If you do then dont buy a car from anyone because that is saying Chevy and Ford, for example, make cars that arent worth a flip either. Good luck.
shollis, you have a right to your opinion, as we do, ours. Your analogy of S brands to American cars is way off base. As far as I know, when you buy a car the company freely discloses what motor it has, and in fact all the major aspects of the car are disclosed, unlike the...
Re: Serta Pure Response vs Natura Solice: HELP! - Kait
Oct 21, 2009 11:44 AM
Oct 21, 2009 11:44 AM
I don't think that you would be necessarily getting a better mattress just because they label it green. I am starting to feel my hackles rise when brands claim to be chemical-free and therefore green. It seems to me that they are often just going for the sales gimmick, since green is considered good, and can charge more for the product. First, the premise is flawed. If you have ever taken a chemistry class, it is clear that EVERYTHING on this good earth(and elsewhere) is composed of CHEMICALS. You, me, the trees, dirt, everything is chemical. So it is impossible for anything to be chemical-free, or even have LESS chemicals than another product.
It is possible to have less of certain kinds of chemicals, tho. Just a FWIW.
The PU foam will wear out before the Latex, and depending on where it is in the mattress, could cause body indentations. The...
It is possible to have less of certain kinds of chemicals, tho. Just a FWIW.
The PU foam will wear out before the Latex, and depending on where it is in the mattress, could cause body indentations. The...
Re: Serta Pure Response vs Natura Solice: HELP! - Catherine
Oct 23, 2009 6:15 AM
Oct 23, 2009 6:15 AM
arg0 wrote:
It might be reasonable; I don't know. Maybe I'm just cheap.
If you think it's reasonable, go ahead and try it. From what eagle said, it sounds like the 20-22 ILD topper might be enough softer to make a difference and give you the plush feel you're looking for.
If you try the lower ILD topper and the bed still feels too firm, make sure you're not bottoming out on it (pushing the topper down far enough...
I bought the topper through a local store, who is willing to swap the latex part out for a softer latex (NaturaWorld won't do this). The total cost to me for the swap is $80. The local store has to order the new 2" cal king size latex sheet. I didn't expect the store to do the swap for free, and thought the charge was reasonable. No?
It might be reasonable; I don't know. Maybe I'm just cheap.
If you think it's reasonable, go ahead and try it. From what eagle said, it sounds like the 20-22 ILD topper might be enough softer to make a difference and give you the plush feel you're looking for.
If you try the lower ILD topper and the bed still feels too firm, make sure you're not bottoming out on it (pushing the topper down far enough...
Re: Serta Pure Response vs Natura Solice: HELP! - Catherine
Oct 21, 2009 12:04 PM
Oct 21, 2009 12:04 PM
arg0 wrote:
I'm a little bit confused about what's in and on your mattress. What's in the plush top and how thick is it? Is it the same thing as the topper you're talking about, or something that's attached to the mattress (like a pillowtop) and underneath the topper?
Latex with...
I did buy the Solice, which seems very good, and a mattress mate topper by the same company. But the combo still seems too firm. I knew it would be firm, but that is why we bought the topper (4", 2" talalay and 2" wool). I finally called Natura and discovered that the topper is made with 2" 26-32 ILD talalay
which probably accounts for the firmness????? My local store said they would switch out the Talalay (from the topper) with an ILD of 20-22. What do you think?
They are only charging me the shipping ($80). Any thoughts?
which probably accounts for the firmness????? My local store said they would switch out the Talalay (from the topper) with an ILD of 20-22. What do you think?
They are only charging me the shipping ($80). Any thoughts?
I'm a little bit confused about what's in and on your mattress. What's in the plush top and how thick is it? Is it the same thing as the topper you're talking about, or something that's attached to the mattress (like a pillowtop) and underneath the topper?
Latex with...
Re: Serta Pure Response vs Natura Solice: HELP! - arg0
Oct 21, 2009 12:20 PM
Oct 21, 2009 12:20 PM
Catherine wrote:
Hi Catherine,
Thanks for your post. I guess my post was a bit confusing. The solice mattress is 10" and is firm. It...
I'm a little bit confused about what's in and on your mattress. What's in the plush top and how thick is it? Is it the same thing as the topper you're talking about, or something that's attached to the mattress (like a pillowtop) and underneath the topper?
Latex with an ILD of 20-22 will be softer than latex in the 26-32 ILD range. I'm not sure how much of a difference a few points on the ILD scale will make, but it could be worth a try. However, $80 seems like a lot for shipping (to me, anyway) -- does that include the return shipping for the topper that's too firm? (And if the store is local, why would they charge you for shipping?)
-Catherine
Latex with an ILD of 20-22 will be softer than latex in the 26-32 ILD range. I'm not sure how much of a difference a few points on the ILD scale will make, but it could be worth a try. However, $80 seems like a lot for shipping (to me, anyway) -- does that include the return shipping for the topper that's too firm? (And if the store is local, why would they charge you for shipping?)
-Catherine
Hi Catherine,
Thanks for your post. I guess my post was a bit confusing. The solice mattress is 10" and is firm. It...
Re: Serta Pure Response vs Natura Solice: HELP! - arg0
Oct 21, 2009 10:47 AM
Oct 21, 2009 10:47 AM
Thanks so much for the helpful comments! To answer your questions, we have a Cal King (which they don't have abroad), thus the reason for us taking it with us.
I did buy the Solice, which seems very good, and a mattress mate topper by the same company. But the combo still seems too firm. I knew it would be firm, but that is why we bought
the topper (4", 2" talalay and 2" wool). I finally called Natura and discovered that the topper is made with 2" 26-32 ILD talalay
which probably accounts for the firmness????? My local store said they would switch out the Talalay (from the topper) with an ILD of 20-22. What do you think?
They are only charging me the shipping ($80). Any thoughts?...
I did buy the Solice, which seems very good, and a mattress mate topper by the same company. But the combo still seems too firm. I knew it would be firm, but that is why we bought
the topper (4", 2" talalay and 2" wool). I finally called Natura and discovered that the topper is made with 2" 26-32 ILD talalay
which probably accounts for the firmness????? My local store said they would switch out the Talalay (from the topper) with an ILD of 20-22. What do you think?
They are only charging me the shipping ($80). Any thoughts?...
Re: Serta Pure Response vs Natura Solice: HELP! - eagle2
Oct 21, 2009 2:28 PM
Oct 21, 2009 2:28 PM
Catherine said: "Latex with an ILD of 20-22 will be softer than latex in the 26-32 ILD range. I'm not sure how much of a difference a few points on the ILD scale will make."
If my calculations are correct, and you can actually gauge the difference in ILD's in this fashion, then the difference between a piece of latex with an ILD of 22 compared to a piece of latex with an ILD of 32, you would have a difference of 60%. If you do what Latex International does with their ILD numbers and take the middle number in the range that would be from 21 ILD to 29 ILD, or approximately a 40% increase.
Since we are talking in pounds per ILD, then we are talking about a significant difference in feel. I know I can certainly feel a significant difference between a soft piece of International Latex at 22...
If my calculations are correct, and you can actually gauge the difference in ILD's in this fashion, then the difference between a piece of latex with an ILD of 22 compared to a piece of latex with an ILD of 32, you would have a difference of 60%. If you do what Latex International does with their ILD numbers and take the middle number in the range that would be from 21 ILD to 29 ILD, or approximately a 40% increase.
Since we are talking in pounds per ILD, then we are talking about a significant difference in feel. I know I can certainly feel a significant difference between a soft piece of International Latex at 22...
Re: Serta Pure Response vs Natura Solice: HELP! - eagle2
Oct 21, 2009 12:01 PM
Oct 21, 2009 12:01 PM
Yes, we had another member of the board who is quite defensive of the big S. brands and love to make outrageous analogies.
Too many folks on this forum have had too many negative experiences with what the major manufacturers of mattresses have been getting away with for decades. We have found that you are better off either performing your own surgery on your current mattress, if it is a innerspring mattress with a good set of springs, or dealing with one of the niche market companies that deal in quality latex products.
To each their own, but I really enjoy knowing what is actually inside my mattress and being able to do something about it....
Too many folks on this forum have had too many negative experiences with what the major manufacturers of mattresses have been getting away with for decades. We have found that you are better off either performing your own surgery on your current mattress, if it is a innerspring mattress with a good set of springs, or dealing with one of the niche market companies that deal in quality latex products.
To each their own, but I really enjoy knowing what is actually inside my mattress and being able to do something about it....
Re: My research has discovered major problems with all types of beds, yet I still need a bed. Please help. - london79
Feb 3, 2010 3:22 PM
Feb 3, 2010 3:22 PM
jimsocal wrote:
Serious question. Is there some other Talalay out there I'm not aware of?? Product description says "Support Layer - 100% Talalay Core". The Serta rep said this layer is 8". Next 2.5" is "Convoluted Talalay Latex". Then the .5" "Cool Nature Latex" layer.
Also, this mattress is not the same as the Pure Response line of Sertas.
When it arrives and if there is a way to unzip it, I will take pics and post for any doubters.
...
Also, nowhere on the page you gave us, above, does it SAY "100% latex"!
Serious question. Is there some other Talalay out there I'm not aware of?? Product description says "Support Layer - 100% Talalay Core". The Serta rep said this layer is 8". Next 2.5" is "Convoluted Talalay Latex". Then the .5" "Cool Nature Latex" layer.
Also, this mattress is not the same as the Pure Response line of Sertas.
When it arrives and if there is a way to unzip it, I will take pics and post for any doubters.
...