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Re: The "S" brands? - jimsocal
Jan 19, 2012 3:52 PM
 

Dave, thanks for the civil reply. I thought my original reply was perhaps a bit too harsh but I really do dislike the S brands - I have seen so much pure deception going on with them, I could write a short book about it. I feel your idea that it is because of their success that they are disliked is off the mark but you are entitled to your opinion, of course! And 99% of the time I am very courteous here, but I got a little hot under the collar re your "because of their success" comment, as if there are not thousands of other reasons why people don't like them and why this forum in particular has an anti-S Co bias, or at least used to when I was around here a lot... That said,...

Re: The "S" brands? - jimsocal
Jan 16, 2012 7:07 PM
What's the matter with S-Brands?

Well mostly the problem is that they put too much cheap non-supportive foam on top of them which quickly breaks down and then provides NO support. This is especially true with pillowtops which one should avoid like the plague. Get a firmer mattress then add your own 1-2" of soft latex to soften it up while providing good and long-lasting support.

So the biggest problem with S-Brands is that they use cheap non-supportive, non-lasting foams.

Sometimes they do use very good springs though, which paves the way for doing mattress surgery to replace their cheap foam with good foams.

Personally I have heard nothing but bad things about Serta. They are considered by many within the mattress industry to be the worst of the S-Brands. YMMV.

My own research has led me to believe that...

Re: Best king size Matteress for 2K - JasonRatky
Jan 17, 2012 9:03 PM

"What's the best king size mattress for 2k?  I really like the plush tops"

 

American Sleep Organic Latex $1,898

Beautyrest-Black Desiree Plush-Firm $1,871

 

Suggestions assuming stated budget doesn't include foundation, mattress only. But if i had $2k to spend on a mattress, I'd buy one of the factory seconds Simmons Blacks at a discount warehouse for around a thousand, in at least plush firm to get their highest gauge single strands, then rip off the top & put four to six inches of nice latex over the advanced pocket coils.  Lot of hassle & wouldn't look nice though. Just really impressed with those triple woven coils, if not 3 1/2lb memory foams etc. 

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Re: The "S" brands? - DaveStro
Jan 18, 2012 2:20 PM
jimsocal wrote:

What's the matter with S-Brands?

Well mostly the problem is that they put too much cheap non-supportive foam on top of them which quickly breaks down and then provides NO support. This is especially true with pillowtops which one should avoid like the plague. Get a firmer mattress then add your own 1-2" of soft latex to soften it up while providing good and long-lasting support.

So the biggest problem with S-Brands is that they use cheap non-supportive, non-lasting foams.

Sometimes they do use very good springs though, which paves the way for doing mattress surgery to replace their cheap foam with good foams.

Personally I have heard nothing but bad things about Serta. They are considered by many within the mattress industry to be the worst of...

Re: The "S" brands? - DaveStro
Jan 18, 2012 1:57 PM
francis61 wrote:

Hi!  I would like to add some input here as I've been thru it all I think.

Serta Simmons and Sealy all make a nice mattress.  I like Serta the best because of the coil architecture.  Simmmons, individual springs, there is no support, they will keep sinking, no matter the gauge.  Sealy, never again.  Why? Bonnell coil.

Also to be considered is the foundation.  What happened to the box spring?  Now it's just a cheap structure of stiff wire with no give and nothing more than a waste.  When they made real box springs, the mattress could sink in and it was a system of support.  Not now.

I have a nice Serta mattress resting on a firm foam base with a latex topper.  My solution.

Consumers need...

Re: The "S" brands? - DaveStro
Jan 18, 2012 1:23 PM
SallySmiles wrote:

 I'm up to my ears in research and found this site.

I keep seeing reference that is almost a warning to the 'S' brands = I know this means the big name brands and I have studied them and all others to a faretheewell.

We had a Simmons BeautyRest for many years, it is on it's second life at our son's house and he still loves it.   From the BeautyRest we went to a memory foam based on medical advice, even though it stunk like mad for a few weeks we slept pain free and it was great for two and half years before something happened and it started being really hot and making me sick. We pulled a Serta from the guest room and are making do,  we had immediate relief from whatever the memory...

Re: The "S" brands? - francis61
Jan 19, 2012 10:54 AM
DaveStro wrote:

 


You seemed to be a little confused about what is used in each brand uses as coil systems.

Serta uses the continous coil which in fact is the lightest spring unit in the industry using the least amount of steel. It does have a decent design and holds up fairly well depending on which unit you get. In their starting line they use the Bonnell coil.

Simmons individually pocketed coil system is great for motion transfer as it doesnt distribute your weight across the bed so you do give up some duarbility. You dont give up support, because you are sleeping on more coils in most Breauty Rest then you do on any other mattress. It just doesnt maintian that level of support as...

Re: The "S" brands? - francis61
Jan 13, 2012 4:17 PM
Hi!  I would like to add some input here as I've been thru it all I think.

Serta Simmons and Sealy all make a nice mattress.  I like Serta the best because of the coil architecture.  Simmmons, individual springs, there is no support, they will keep sinking, no matter the gauge.  Sealy, never again.  Why? Bonnell coil.

Also to be considered is the foundation.  What happened to the box spring?  Now it's just a cheap structure of stiff wire with no give and nothing more than a waste.  When they made real box springs, the mattress could sink in and it was a system of support.  Not now.

I have a nice Serta mattress resting on a firm foam base with a latex topper.  My solution.

Consumers need to be very savvy with their bedding choices.

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Re: The "S" brands? - SallySmiles
Jan 14, 2012 4:16 AM
francis61 wrote:

Hi!  I would like to add some input here as I've been thru it all I think.

Serta Simmons and Sealy all make a nice mattress.  I like Serta the best because of the coil architecture.  Simmmons, individual springs, there is no support, they will keep sinking, no matter the gauge.  Sealy, never again.  Why? Bonnell coil.

Also to be considered is the foundation.  What happened to the box spring?  Now it's just a cheap structure of stiff wire with no give and nothing more than a waste.  When they made real box springs, the mattress could sink in and it was a system of support.  Not now.

I have a nice Serta mattress resting on a firm foam base with a latex topper.  My solution.

Consumers need...

The "S" brands? - SallySmiles
Jan 13, 2012 7:17 AM
 I'm up to my ears in research and found this site.

I keep seeing reference that is almost a warning to the 'S' brands = I know this means the big name brands and I have studied them and all others to a faretheewell.

We had a Simmons BeautyRest for many years, it is on it's second life at our son's house and he still loves it.   From the BeautyRest we went to a memory foam based on medical advice, even though it stunk like mad for a few weeks we slept pain free and it was great for two and half years before something happened and it started being really hot and making me sick. We pulled a Serta from the guest room and are making do,  we had immediate relief from whatever the memory foam was doing to us, it was astounding, but the...

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