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Re: Costco Sealy "Sedona Springs Ultra Plush" mattress...I'm at my wit's end with mattresses! - cloud9
Feb 1, 2008 12:14 AM
Sorry you are having such an awful time finding a comfortable mattress. Unfortunately that seems to be a huge problem in this day and age of over-padded mattresses. Your back hurts because all that foam, particularly the low density convoluted PU foam most S-Brand manufacturers use in today's mattresses, just doesn't provide enough back support. To make matters worse it rapidly starts to compress-- the manufacturers call this "imprinting" or "body impressions" rather than sagging, which is what it is--and the mattress becomes even more uncomfortable. The average useful life of a mattress stuffed with PU foam is about three years! Outrageous considering what they cost.

I couldn't agree more with mccldwll. Try to find an old fashion double sided mattress. Avoid pillowtops--they are notorious for quickly hammocking and causing back pain. You mention that you sleep on your stomach at times, so you should stick with a firm to...

Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - BeddyBye
Jan 30, 2008 8:37 PM
I have about 3 of those soft talalay latex toppers from Overstock.com. I found them to be a bit too soft for my back, unfortunately. I put one on my 15 year old daughter's rock-hard bed under a fiber bed. She really likes the feel.


jimsocal wrote:
For a topper, a super low ILD (super soft) Talalay is probably your best bet.<BR>As a mattress I hated Talalay, it &quot;pushes back&quot; against my back and my back hated it.<BR>Dunlop does not push back and I plan to buy some to try it over my Sealy springs.<BR><BR>However, a super soft Talalay does not push back as much and even I can tolerate it in a low ILD. <BR>So I would say go for either type of Talalay as a topper (2&quot; or less).

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Re: Costco Sealy "Sedona Springs Ultra Plush" mattress...I'm at my wit's end with mattresses! - mccldwll
Feb 1, 2008 2:40 AM
I guess that puts you in the Northeast. There is nothing magical about mattresses. There are different coil systems, and most small manufacturers have access to same coils. Then they add foam/etc, cover, AND advertising. It's not that the S brands are that terrible per se, it's just that they are no better, and are much more $$$. There should be small mattress manufacturers in your area. You shouldn't need to spend that much at all. Research the advantages of the different coils (here and Consumer Reports) and know what you want. Don't worry about whistles and bells. [Minimal PU padding. LI even makes some sheet latex which manufacturers have access to, but small manufacturers may not use it.] I recently put a doubled up king size 1" Brylane latex topper (effective depth 2") on a very firm cheap kids bed, and it's very comfortable now. They're around $65, while...
Re: Costco Sealy "Sedona Springs Ultra Plush" mattress...I'm at my wit's end with mattresses! - mccldwll
Jan 31, 2008 1:42 AM
Too bad it has flame guard protection or you could have a nice bonfire. Get rid of it if you can!
I suggest you spend an hour reading posts on this forum, then return with any specific questions. As a "non-side sleeper", you should have an easy (and cheap) time finding (creating) a comfortable mattress. You may come to the conclusion after reading that your best bet probably is a very basic, very firm (minimal padding) coil mattress with a separate thin (maybe 2") latex topper. Foamsource had some zoned toppers (22-28-22, IIRC) on clearance a week or two ago, which probably would work very well for your described situation....
Re: Costco Sealy "Sedona Springs Ultra Plush" mattress...I'm at my wit's end with mattresses! - centralpark
Feb 1, 2008 12:53 AM
cloud9 wrote:
Sorry you are having such an awful time finding a comfortable mattress. Unfortunately that seems to be a huge problem in this day and age of over-padded mattresses. Your back hurts because all that foam, particularly the low density convoluted PU foam most S-Brand manufacturers use in today's mattresses, just doesn't provide enough back support. To make matters worse it rapidly starts to compress-- the manufacturers call this "imprinting" or "body impressions" rather than sagging, which is what it is--and the mattress becomes even more uncomfortable. The average useful life of a mattress stuffed with PU foam is about three years! Outrageous considering what they cost.

I couldn't agree more with mccldwll. Try to find an old fashion double sided mattress. Avoid pillowtops--they are notorious for quickly hammocking and causing back pain. You mention that you sleep on your stomach at times, so you should stick...

Re: Costco Sealy "Sedona Springs Ultra Plush" mattress...I'm at my wit's end with mattresses! - centralpark
Jan 31, 2008 10:04 PM
mccldwll wrote:
Too bad it has flame guard protection or you could have a nice bonfire. Get rid of it if you can!
I suggest you spend an hour reading posts on this forum, then return with any specific questions. As a "non-side sleeper", you should have an easy (and cheap) time finding (creating) a comfortable mattress. You may come to the conclusion after reading that your best bet probably is a very basic, very firm (minimal padding) coil mattress with a separate thin (maybe 2") latex topper. Foamsource had some zoned toppers (22-28-22, IIRC) on clearance a week or two ago, which probably would work very well for your described situation.



I have been spending many hours on whatsthebest-mattress.com (this site and former site) reading about mattresses and trying to educate myself. But for whatever reason, I have not been able to find a mattress that is comfortable. I've...

Costco Sealy "Sedona Springs Ultra Plush" mattress...I'm at my wit's end with mattresses! - centralpark
Jan 30, 2008 11:12 PM
First off, I should reveal that I prefer sleeping on my back or on my stomach. I'm about 5'6", in the 130 pound range. I slept on a Sealy Posturepedic mattress for about 19 years that never gave me a problem (I added a foam topper to it), but I let the mattress delivery men take it away when my new Simmons Beautyrest Exceptionale plush mattress was delivered a year or so ago. If I had known then what I know now about the mattressses of today, I would have happily kept my old mattress. The Beautyrest was uncomfortable and didn't provide enough back support...when I slept on my stomach, my back was arching forward too much. I tried a Simmons Westin Heavenly Bed which is a pillowtop mattress that receives rave reviews...I would wake up every morning with lower back pain, but as soon as I got out of bed, the back pain disappeared. When I would wake up on that mattress, I...
Re: found some "deals" on latex in case anyone's interested - jimsocal
Jan 31, 2008 11:48 AM
mccldwll wrote:
I bought three from Brylane. The quality appears to be good. My guess would be around 25 ILD (22-28). Not convoluted. Look around on Brylane for various promotion codes (there were several when I bought). It may be even cheaper if you get smaller amount off, but free shipping. If you want more than one, may want to buy separately/sequentially for better savings.

It's 20% for a Queen or a Twin so I'll buy a queen and cut it up into zones for my twin. The Promotional code for 20% off one item is BHAA20. Comes out to $62.98 including shipping. Now if they only had a harder piece, I could use it for my bottom piece over my Sealy springs...

25ILD  pretty firm for a "topper" isn't it? Couldn't one use that for a middle piece? I thnk the 2 x 1" pieces I have that I described as...

Re: How do Talalay, Dunlop, and all natural latex differ in feel? - jimsocal
Jan 30, 2008 6:09 PM
For a topper, a super low ILD (super soft) Talalay is probably your best bet.
As a mattress I hated Talalay, it "pushes back" against my back and my back hated it.
Dunlop does not push back and I plan to buy some to try it over my Sealy springs.

However, a super soft Talalay does not push back as much and even I can tolerate it in a low ILD.
So I would say go for either type of Talalay as a topper (2" or less)....
Re: Okay foam experts, I'm looking for specific ideas now... - jimsocal
Jan 30, 2008 1:09 PM
mccldwll wrote:
"In fact the resilency of Talalay could be aggravating the nerve endings in your back and contributing to your pain. I had that very thing happen to me when I tried to sleep on a Talalay latex mattress."

There is no way 2" of soft talalay is doing anything other than cushioning, and adding to the overall softness and depth (which allows the hips to sink even further relative to the shoulders, kinking the spine, and exacerbating your nerve problem). Dunlop may work better for support, but zoning really is the answer (or go firm with a lumbar pad, and learn to sleep on your back).

Before cutting, try some folding/layering/zoning. Standing at attention, have spouse take a magic marker and yardstick and draw a line of dots down spine from neck to tailbone. Then lie on mattress and take a few deep breaths (you want to...

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