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Re: Curious about Stearns and Foster mattresses - jimsocal
Sep 6, 2009 11:01 PM
eagle2 wrote:
Alex: Saying that you would allow a thief, after breaking into your house, to steal your wife rather than your mattress is a pretty graphic statement. But I'll take you at your word.

I thought after all of the detailed information about Sealy and Stearns and Foster mattresses that you must work for them. I am surprised to learn that you're actually sleeping on a competitors mattress. What kind of work do you actually do.You seem to be quite knowledgeable about mattresses, let me ask you your opinion about foundations for latex mattresses.
I have actually started a new thread on this subject with more explanation than I will give here.

What is your opinion about the necessity for a ventilated foundation for a latex mattress. I ask this because I have a good foundation but it does not have ventilation as it is for a water bed....
Re: Some Good Questions About Mattresses with Answers - jimsocal
Sep 6, 2009 4:20 PM
Alexander, thanks for the info.

I started another thread about S&F before I read this one. After you mentioned them I went to their web site and looked around, but could not find the answers you gave here. In my new thread I did ask some questions about the foam they use, though, and would appreciate it if you could answer those questions.

You state here, "For the most part the mid level of a major manufacturer (Mid being $1300 or so in a queen) will use reasonable quality latexes or memory foams atop a PU or PE base. All beds will have some PU or PE you wouldn't want to put the comfort foams directly atop the springs."

So are you saying that most or all of the S brands (Serta, Spring Air, Sealy P, etc.) do use more supportive foam than what I found in my cheapo Englander...
Re: MATTRESS SURGERY: performing a "foam-ectomy" on my Englander mattress - w/ photos - jimsocal
Sep 6, 2009 1:22 PM
Alexander wrote:
I don't think your assessment is fair to Englander. While I'm unfamiliar with Englander specifically I am familiar with the major "S" brands. You spent how much on this mattress? $250 if I recall correctly? Sir, you purchased the dirt cheap bottom-end line of beds. Why are you surprised that a cheap bed is made of cheap components? Did you expect Talalay in a $250 mattress? Consistent Density memory foam? You can spend more than $250 on a decent Topper, much less the whole mattress.

Let's not be misleading. It doesn't make sense to go out and buy a $5000 Kia and then complain when it doesn't have a Hemi engine, 4 wheel drive, or heated leather interior.

-Alex


Alex, my indictment is of all the S brands (and other mass marketed) lower and medium end mattresses. I'm not yet sure about the higher end S brands.  Please provide...
Re: Original Mattress Factory worth the 400 mile round trip? - jimsocal
Sep 6, 2009 12:40 PM
Alexander wrote:
I'm sorry but this is untrue once you get into a manufacturer's signature spring. The Posturepedic coil is made by Sealy in Sealy plants that employ Sealy workers. The Individually Pocketed Coil is made by Simmons in Simmons plants that employ Simmons workers. The same is true with Stearns and Foster.

Whether or not you get cheap PU foam is dependant on whether you pay for cheap PU foam.


Hi Alexander, it seems you have worked in the mattress industry. Is that correct?
You seem to know a lot about mattresses! It's good to have someone who knows things about manufacturing here.

I admit to exaggerating in my statement about coils. I should have said "MOST are made with springs from one manufacturer and cheap pu foam". So thanks for keeping me honest!

But you must admit it is hard to know...
Re: MATTRESS SURGERY: performing a "foam-ectomy" on my Englander mattress - w/ photos - eagle2
Sep 7, 2009 1:02 AM
Alex said: "If you want to know more than that you have to dig...sometimes a lot. The same is true for mattresses. The info is out there."

I am sure it is, just not on the corp. web sites. In fact I have learned more from you about Sealy and S&F than anywhere else. And I have been in the hunt for several weeks now, night and day!

I feel you must work for them or else you are in the mattress business some way. I seem to hear "vestested interest" speaking. Nothing wrong with this. But at the same time it does tend to shape your point of view.....yes?

You also said: "First, regarding the Stearns you mentioned, you don't want all organic latex. You wouldn't enjoy it, it'd be hot and wouldn't last long." Alex this fly's in the face of everything I have read in my several week,...
Re: Curious about Stearns and Foster mattresses - eagle2
Sep 6, 2009 10:31 PM
Alexander wrote:
I currently sleep on a Simmons Black pillowtop called a Rosalyn.

The Blacks have individually pocketed triple braided coils (each coil is actually three smalled braided coils) with a net gauge of 11.75. The pillowtop is composed of 3" of Talalay Latex covered in cashmere and alpaca loft for cool summer sleeping. It's surrounded by a high density 3" foam encasing. It is insanely heavy.

If you broke into my house I would let you take my wife before I'd let you take my bed.


Alex: Saying that you would allow a thief, after breaking into your house, to steal your wife rather than your mattress is a pretty graphic statement. But I'll take you at your word.

I thought after all of the detailed information about Sealy and Stearns and Foster mattresses that you must work for them. I am surprised to learn that you're actually sleeping on a competitors mattress. What kind of...
Re: MATTRESS SURGERY: performing a "foam-ectomy" on my Englander mattress - w/ photos - Alexander
Sep 6, 2009 8:02 PM
eagle2 wrote:
I have to agree with Jim.

I first started out looking at Stearns and Fosters three top of the line "All foam" mattress and box springs. The least expensive was $2800, the middle was $3500, and the top was $4000. These were all three California Kings.

They all three had a latex core of 8.75 inches of luxury latex. I later found out that this is synthetic foam, petroleum-based, not genuine organic latex.

The principal difference between the three mattresses was in what they call their “comfort level” the least expensive mattress had 1 inch of supersoft flawless foam, whatever that is. The $3500 mattress had three quarter-inch genuine latex, 1” flawless foam, Versare inner panel, whatever that is, then one and ½ inch convoluted genuine latex foam, and finally one and ½ inch supersoft flawless foam. The top-of-the-line $4000 mattress added an additional three-quarter inch genuine latex...
Some Good Questions About Mattresses with Answers - Alexander
Sep 6, 2009 3:57 PM
Jim asked some good questions in another thread. Instead of Hijacking that thread I've decided to start a new one for the answers and discussion. Here's a link to the original thread: http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/forum/mattress-surgery-performing-foam-ectomy-my-englander-mattress-w-photos/6161-0-1.html

Here's some of the questions regarding modern mattresses answered:

1) Is Stearns and Foster not owned by Sealy?

They are in fact. They do not, however, use the same coil systems, same foam systems, or the same construction. You are either certified to work on Stearns and Foster OR Sealy. You never make both. Other than the fact that they are often made within 100 yards of eachother and your money goes to the same company, they have virtually nothing in common from a feel or construction standpoint.

2) So you are saying that S&F and Sealy make their own coils, they are not manufactured by L&P?

The short answer is no, L&P does not make Sealy or Stearn's coil. The long...

Re: Original Mattress Factory worth the 400 mile round trip? - Alexander
Sep 6, 2009 9:50 AM
jimsocal wrote:
They're all made with springs from one manufacturer and cheap pu foam, so the main difference is the type of springs as per above. Bonnell? Luriflex? Leggett and Platt.



I'm sorry but this is untrue once you get into a manufacturer's signature spring. The Posturepedic coil is made by Sealy in Sealy plants that employ Sealy workers. The Individually Pocketed Coil is made by Simmons in Simmons plants that employ Simmons workers. The same is true with Stearns and Foster.

Whether or not you get cheap PU foam is dependant on whether you pay for cheap PU foam....

Side sleeping, shoulder/hip pain. I need to switch...Suggestions?? - cptab
Sep 6, 2009 8:53 PM
I purchased a queen "Vilamoura" mattress Mattress Warehouse several months ago. I'm not sure what it is labeled ass at other stores (maybe lukasa/lusaka?), but it is visco firm, has a very small pillow-ish looking top and has 900-something springs. I think it "listed" at $1,500-$1,600, but I got a slightly better deal b/c I don't need a box spring (platform bed). Anyway, it felt great in the store esp. and it didn't bother my problematic back (lumbar disk issue). However, now that I'm sleeping on it, I wake and toss and turn througout the night. I'm a side sleeper and my shoulder doesn't sink in. Thus, my upper body becomes contorted. Moreover, my hip is sore from contact all night. Unfortunately, it is too late to return and I think I need to revert to a softer mattress. Lesson learned...I...

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