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Re: $2000 burning a hole - jimsocal
Nov 22, 2009 11:37 AM
Nov 22, 2009 11:37 AM
What Kait said!...
The problem with almost ALL S brand beds is that they have cheap foam in them - too much of it at that - that breaks down quickly and leaves you with a sore back.
The other problem is that you will find, if you start asking the store sales people "What kind of foam is in it?" they will either say they don't know or they'll just say "polyurethane". Neither answer is good because unless it is HR foam (a higher quality polyurethane, which to my knowledge, none of them use) or M-grade or latex (again, to my knowledge, no one uses these), then it is just plain old cheap, crappy, non-supportive polyurethane foam that breaks down VERY quickly.
This is an incredible indictment of an industry that is - in my humble opinion - building their whole business model on being UN-user friendly, hiding the composition of the...
The problem with almost ALL S brand beds is that they have cheap foam in them - too much of it at that - that breaks down quickly and leaves you with a sore back.
The other problem is that you will find, if you start asking the store sales people "What kind of foam is in it?" they will either say they don't know or they'll just say "polyurethane". Neither answer is good because unless it is HR foam (a higher quality polyurethane, which to my knowledge, none of them use) or M-grade or latex (again, to my knowledge, no one uses these), then it is just plain old cheap, crappy, non-supportive polyurethane foam that breaks down VERY quickly.
This is an incredible indictment of an industry that is - in my humble opinion - building their whole business model on being UN-user friendly, hiding the composition of the...
Re: closest firmness to a sealy posturepedic signature firm, foam style - eagle2
Nov 25, 2009 9:35 PM
Nov 25, 2009 9:35 PM
Jason: Not fearing the thought police, let me suggest to you that you give FlowBeds a try. They can provide you with a super firm latex in blended, (only) from 42 to 46 ILD. I would think that 9" of this would feel like concrete to me. But never having slept on it, or even felt it, this is purely a guess.
I am currently sleeping on one side of my bed that has two extra firm (36ILD) layers topped off with a medium layer (28 ILD) and of course the ever present to all FlowBeds, a 2" layer of convoluted latex, which I am assuming is somewhere between 26 and 28 ILD. The other side of my bed has two firm layers at 32 ILD with a bottom layer of extra firm at 36 ILD. This is all 100% natural botanically grown latex. The two firm layers, with a...
I am currently sleeping on one side of my bed that has two extra firm (36ILD) layers topped off with a medium layer (28 ILD) and of course the ever present to all FlowBeds, a 2" layer of convoluted latex, which I am assuming is somewhere between 26 and 28 ILD. The other side of my bed has two firm layers at 32 ILD with a bottom layer of extra firm at 36 ILD. This is all 100% natural botanically grown latex. The two firm layers, with a...
Re: closest firmness to a sealy posturepedic signature firm, foam style - eagle2
Nov 25, 2009 1:37 PM
Nov 25, 2009 1:37 PM
Kimberly said: "Lest the forum police start jumping in and making nasty insinuations that I'm a shill for Flobeds, as some on this forum have done to Eagle2, I do not work and have never worked for Flobeds or any mattress manufacturer. I am a real estate salesperson with a bad back and have had a very positive experience with my Flobed purchase. I like my mattress, I like the company, and I like their return/exchange policies. This is why I don't hesitate to recommend the company."
Let um jump! You and I both know that we are only satisfied customers of Flowbeds products. If some people do not like our statements of satisfaction, and prefer to believe we have an ulterior motive, then they do not have to read what we say.
As long as we are making our statements within the guide lines of this forum, then we are free...
Let um jump! You and I both know that we are only satisfied customers of Flowbeds products. If some people do not like our statements of satisfaction, and prefer to believe we have an ulterior motive, then they do not have to read what we say.
As long as we are making our statements within the guide lines of this forum, then we are free...
Re: closest firmness to a sealy posturepedic signature firm, foam style - KimberlyH
Nov 25, 2009 10:25 PM
Nov 25, 2009 10:25 PM
Jason, I can't even imagine a 44 ILD mattress, tbh. I'm thinking it would feel similar to just lying on a bare floor. I think Eagle is right, for 100% botanically grown, you don't get quite the same range of ILDs as you do with blended . . . although I'm not positive - that would be something to ask the guys at Flobeds or wherever you decide to go. Are you sure you need it that firm? May I ask what is prompting you to fix on that number other than knowing you want a very firm mattress?
I can't help but wonder if you're starting out with the same mindset I did, but in reverse. I started out being pretty sure I wanted a cushy bouncy feel, and found out that what really feels good is a very firm mattress. And the 36 is pretty darn firm. I can't...
I can't help but wonder if you're starting out with the same mindset I did, but in reverse. I started out being pretty sure I wanted a cushy bouncy feel, and found out that what really feels good is a very firm mattress. And the 36 is pretty darn firm. I can't...
Re: closest firmness to a sealy posturepedic signature firm, foam style - KimberlyH
Nov 25, 2009 7:34 AM
Nov 25, 2009 7:34 AM
Hi there,
I've read through your entire post a few times, and you sound exactly like me. I'm not a big guy, but I am a big girl :) and I too started out dazed and confused by this mattress business. The last time I bought a mattress for myself was 15 years ago, my husband and I walked in a showroom, lay on one we liked, bought it for $800, and it was amazingly comfortable and lasted 15 years. That was a Simmons that was made with quality materials (wool, not cheap PU foam).
Then I got a rude awakening a few years ago when I replaced my daughter's mattress with an $800 Simmons that cratered after less than a year.
When I started researching mattresses a few month ago, I soon found that none of the "S" brands make a quality product anymore. They are all made with cheap PU foam...
I've read through your entire post a few times, and you sound exactly like me. I'm not a big guy, but I am a big girl :) and I too started out dazed and confused by this mattress business. The last time I bought a mattress for myself was 15 years ago, my husband and I walked in a showroom, lay on one we liked, bought it for $800, and it was amazingly comfortable and lasted 15 years. That was a Simmons that was made with quality materials (wool, not cheap PU foam).
Then I got a rude awakening a few years ago when I replaced my daughter's mattress with an $800 Simmons that cratered after less than a year.
When I started researching mattresses a few month ago, I soon found that none of the "S" brands make a quality product anymore. They are all made with cheap PU foam...
Re: closest firmness to a sealy posturepedic signature firm, foam style - markbnh1
Nov 25, 2009 8:28 AM
Nov 25, 2009 8:28 AM
I have to agree with everything Kimberly has stated. I chose to purchase my all latex mattress from a local custom mattress company and now wish I had purchased it online with the custom layer options. My first latex mattress was rated "medium" and felt fine in the store. After sleeping on it I noticed that I was bottoming out on the foundation below the mattress and asked the store to exchange it for the "firm" latex. The company owner figured he would really "help" me and specified an extra firm latex core (40 ILD) of 6 inches and a 32 ILD 2 inch top layer. These layers are sewn into a permanent cover. This bed turned out to be TOO firm! I was uncomfortable until I started using an old 2 inch memory foam topper on top of my new mattress. I'm getting used to this setup and sleeping...
Re: pain in the middle of shoulder blades whats causes it - tony
Nov 24, 2009 3:40 AM
Nov 24, 2009 3:40 AM
yes it is a sealy and when you press down on it with you hand you can feel this top layer of foam that has no give to it almost plastic like and the layers under it have give ...
Re: closest firmness to a sealy posturepedic signature firm, foam style - JasonRatky
Nov 25, 2009 11:26 PM
Nov 25, 2009 11:26 PM
eagle2 wrote:
Jason: Not fearing the thought police, let me suggest to you that you give FlowBeds a try. They can provide you with a super firm latex in blended, (only) from 42 to 46 ILD. I would think that 9" of this would feel like concrete to me. But never having slept on it, or even felt it, this is purely a guess.
I am currently sleeping on one side of my bed that has two extra firm (36ILD) layers topped off with a medium layer (28 ILD) and of course the ever present to all FlowBeds, a 2" layer of convoluted latex, which I am assuming is somewhere between 26 and 28 ILD. The other side of my bed has two firm layers at 32 ILD with a bottom layer of extra firm at 36 ILD. This is all 100% natural botanically grown latex. The two...
I am currently sleeping on one side of my bed that has two extra firm (36ILD) layers topped off with a medium layer (28 ILD) and of course the ever present to all FlowBeds, a 2" layer of convoluted latex, which I am assuming is somewhere between 26 and 28 ILD. The other side of my bed has two firm layers at 32 ILD with a bottom layer of extra firm at 36 ILD. This is all 100% natural botanically grown latex. The two...
KIMBERLY - JasonRatky
Nov 25, 2009 9:18 PM
Nov 25, 2009 9:18 PM
really appreciate the in depth & personal response. thanks for taking the time. by the way, i'm already familiar with the shill police around here, so you & eagle can drop the act (i know you're all just deep cover sales reps).
So from what everyone's saying about them, i have no doubt that f.b.'s are among the best. And i'm glad to hear you went with 3x all extra firm, because it seemed so counterintuitive to get a custom mulit layered design, only to order it with all three layers of identical ild. but that's just what i would do with this type- all in the firmest latex available. super firm. that might come close to how firm i like conventional mattresses, i.e. those couple of inches of marvelux (55 ild? 45?) that i know i like. But if we can't evne reliably compare ild's from one type of latex to another,...
closest firmness to a sealy posturepedic signature firm, foam style - JasonRatky
Nov 25, 2009 12:06 AM
Nov 25, 2009 12:06 AM
I'm trying to get on board the latex bandwaggon, though i keep ending back at square one- defaulting back to another sealy posturepedic firm that will surely crater again within a few years- if i can't arrive at a more confident decision about which latex mattress to buy. that they are sight unseen, off the internet, isn't helping. The conventional mattress I like, sealy's signature firm (or a s&f ultra firm), the springs are topped with more "marvelux" layers than anything else, but I hesitate to order raw conventional "lux" foam (assuming it's similar) to use as a base as you guys do for your d.i.y. projects, because I fear the stench.
since latex ild's aren't very consistent when compared across vulcanization techniques, or even with the same process across different companies, I can't really depend on that as an objective measure. apparently no more reliable than terms like "natural" vs. "organic" vs. "botanical" in this industry. So I am looking for what anyone with experience would recommend in latex to someone who likes...