Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit)
Sep 10, 2007 8:48 PM
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Greetings..  I'm in the market for a new mattress and have been wading through all the thoughtful commentary on this board..  There's a lot of technical info within and a lot of folks with a far stronger need/desire to spend the time customizing and re-customizing their mattress for that perfect fit..  With that said, I'm wondering if anyone would take a moment to help answer a few basic questions:

1 - If possible, I'd prefer *not* to go the kit route.  If I can walk into a store (in NYC) and buy a quality latex mattress, I'd be thrilled.  I've seen the Serta (Vera Wang), Spring Free (Sealy) and Nature's Rest at Sleepy's. (I think I liked the Vera Wang best thus far).   I know I can check out the Stearns & Foster and at least a few Englanders and Naturas locally.  Given these options, does one brand/line stand out from the others in some meaningful way (e.g. quality of latex or other structural components, lack of PU, etc)?  Does one brand/line provide a better standard configuration of latex cores?  Or, should I just go with what feels best?

2 - I read somewhere that natural latex could possibly have more of an odor than synthetic.  Is this a legitimate concern?

3 - (I posted this seperately too) - I've read it's best to get a firm mattress and put on a topper.  Do toppers have a tendency to slide around since they are not sewn to the mattress?  I've been told this is the case..

Any help appreciated!
Re: Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit)
Reply #27 Sep 22, 2007 4:16 PM
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D3Fi - Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit)
Reply #28 Sep 25, 2007 1:42 AM
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D3Fi, I really think you and your wife would be comfortable with a 1" latex topper over three 44 ILD latex cores since I am comfortable now and sure about my 1" latex topper over a 36 ILD over a 44 ILD over a 36 ILD.  This seems to be very comfortable and firm to me. I know my 5'8" friend now feels it is too firm and she likes firm beds.  My other friend feels it is as firm as his very firm spring bed now and he likes firm beds.  My other friend can't imagine how anyone can sleep on a bed as firm as mine but I am so comfortable.   I am lucky to have friends that care and try out my bed and give me their opinion on it. 

I really think you would like a 1" topper over the 44 ILD latex cores to have no pressure points with a tiny bit of cushion but I could be wrong. If Dave is able to find me a bigger 1" natural latex topper and you would like this also, then he can find two if you ask him now.  If he can't find this, I will just stay with my Overstock Latex topper that I just wish was a little bigger.

If the bed is still too soft, you can just put two 44 ILD latex cores over the slat box but I really feel that would be too firm and you would definitely then need the 1" topper.

I now just want a lower profile soft latex pillow since my standard latex pillow from overstock is a tiny big firmer and thicker than I would like.
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Reply #29 Sep 29, 2007 5:01 AM
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Re: Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit)
Reply #30 Oct 2, 2007 1:12 AM
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Wading Through, I am in the same situation as you. The shipping for SleepEZ and FloBed may be really expensive so my option is Sealy or Costco a bed from Costco. I went and looked at teh Sealy Spring free Meadow Crest but the sales lady could not tell me if it was all latex or what kind of latex the matress had in it. If I am going to spend 2700.00 on a bed I really think they should have the information. I was all set to order from SleepEZ but when I called they had to find out if they could actually ship to Alaska. If any one has any info about Sealy beds let me know I  have had my spring bed for the last 10 years and it was a cheap 400 dollar bed and I DESERVE another bed.
Re: Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit)
Reply #31 Oct 3, 2007 11:35 AM
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Tammy99712 wrote:
Wading Through, I am in the same situation as you. The shipping for SleepEZ and FloBed may be really expensive so my option is Sealy or Costco a bed from Costco. I went and looked at teh Sealy Spring free Meadow Crest but the sales lady could not tell me if it was all latex or what kind of latex the matress had in it. If I am going to spend 2700.00 on a bed I really think they should have the information. I was all set to order from SleepEZ but when I called they had to find out if they could actually ship to Alaska. If any one has any info about Sealy beds let me know I  have had my spring bed for the last 10 years and it was a cheap 400 dollar bed and I DESERVE another bed.



Flobeds was $75-100 shipping to me so it wasn't unreasonable at all. They use UPS so I see no reason why they couldn't ship to Alaska. I get shipments from Canada even all the time via UPS.

Sealy uses Sapsa now which is a 100% synthetic latex which seems to come from LI. My biggest issue with Sealy and all of the other big-name store brands if the flame retardant chemicals (insecticides usually) they use. Secondly, many of the big-name latex mattresses contain a lot more than just latex (i.e. cheap PU foam). If neither of those issues bother you, then no harm in looking into them. :)

Re: Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit)
Reply #32 Oct 4, 2007 11:30 AM
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haysdb wrote:
I was not aware there actually was such a thing as 100% synthetic latex.


Well Sealy claims it is anyway.
Re: Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit)
Reply #33 Oct 4, 2007 12:15 PM
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Sapsa is a French bedding manufacturer that Sealy acquired in 2001.  Sapsa is the number one producer of latex in Europe using a Dunlop process.  They built a new plant near Wilkes Barre, PA to produce latex foam using this process and renamed it the Sapsa process.  It is not 100% synthetic.

Carpenter makes Qualatex which is an HR foam that is marketed as a 100% synthetic latex.  Unfortunately the cost is almost as high as actual latex so it has not had great success in the bedding industry.

Re: Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit)
Reply #34 Oct 4, 2007 3:11 PM
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kbell wrote:
Sapsa is a French bedding manufacturer that Sealy acquired in 2001.  Sapsa is the number one producer of latex in Europe using a Dunlop process.  They built a new plant near Wilkes Barre, PA to produce latex foam using this process and renamed it the Sapsa process.  It is not 100% synthetic.

Carpenter makes Qualatex which is an HR foam that is marketed as a 100% synthetic latex.  Unfortunately the cost is almost as high as actual latex so it has not had great success in the bedding industry.



According to Sapsa, that is incorrect. They claim: "SAPSA Latex offers products in natural latex, synthetic latex, or mixtures of both." Once again, Sealy claims theirs is the 100% synthetic Sapsa latex. Quote from another site: "All the Sealy and S&F latex are 100% SAPSA synthetic latex. There is no natural latex used."

Re: Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit)
Reply #35 Oct 4, 2007 3:42 PM
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Everything can be claimed to be an advantage.

Our latex is 100% natural!

Our latex is 100% synthetic!

Re: Wading through the latex info... (and avoiding a kit)
Reply #36 Oct 4, 2007 10:48 PM
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D3Fi wrote:
According to Sapsa, that is incorrect. They claim: "SAPSA Latex offers products in natural latex, synthetic latex, or mixtures of both." Once again, Sealy claims theirs is the 100% synthetic Sapsa latex. Quote from another site: "All the Sealy and S&F latex are 100% SAPSA synthetic latex. There is no natural latex used."



Hmmm, perhaps you are correct.  They do state what you claim.  On the same website that I found the statement that you quote they state, "Latex is made from a rubber-based product versus memory or viscoelastic foam which is derived from plastics."

This information comes from the UK site.  I am not aware of any synthetic products that are currently available.  I could be wrong but I can't find any mention of these products other than this one obscure reference.  Please let us know if you find something to the contrary.

http://www.sapsalatex.com/uk/home.htm

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