As you know I have been trying to get back to the "sweet spot" that I achieved on my newly operated-on Englander a few months ago. For some reason it was great at first then mysteriously didn't work for me any more. So lately I've been trying various configurations.

Two nights ago I put my fake Venus foam on top. So it was like this from the top down:
Venus 1" foam (fake Venus sold by Overstock)
32ILD natural Talalay latex
1" HR foam on bottom
Englander springs

That did not work for me.

Then, as I have done before, I reversed the memory foam so that it was not on top, but rather under one layer. This worked for me. This also has been the way my wife has been using it for some time.

Everyone says memory foam should be the top layer when used, but we find that it is better for us as a 2nd layer. (Of course, in my case, who knows? It may stop working for me tonight! But I have used it this way successfully in the past.)

Just wondering if anyone else has found this works for them - memory foam UNDER another layer?

So anyway, this is working for me now: (hope it keeps working)

32ILD natural Talalay latex
Venus 1" memory foam (fake Venus sold by Overstock)
1" HR foam on bottom
Englander springs

Hey Sandman, thanks for the reply and opinion.

I certainly don't think there's anything wrong with having more foam on the springs if it works for you. And heaven knows that I don't really know even what works for me, let alone what works for someone else. I just think I know some things, sometimes. I do think that for "most people" or at least "some people" too much foam on top of springs can negate the advantage of the springs, but maybe for us, the springs are slightly too firm.

Maybe I need softer springs. In any case, right now, the 1" of 5lb or whatever it is fake Venus foam on the bottom seems to be working better than anything else I've tried for awhile. I don't expect it to last, but maybe it will.

Yes, I absolutely do want to try a 1" layer of very soft latex in the mix. It's just a matter of time until I can afford it or feel I really really need it. I generally have been doing better since I stopped using the HR foam. (though actually for a little while I went back to the 1/2" very firm piece of HR on the bottom.) But I've had several decent night's sleep on the current configuration and waking up only slightly sore and stiff.